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forfit the right to OC if I have a CPL?
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fozzy71
Regular Member
Not until after you first called him lazy.
So then he called you a Dip **** and the thread really started to get good. :banana:
stainless1911
Banned
He dindt know that he didnt know. All part of being a new-b. Thats different from being lazy.
If you put as much effort into helping as you do whatever it is that you do here, maybe the nature of the discussions would change a bit.
If you put as much effort into helping as you do whatever it is that you do here, maybe the nature of the discussions would change a bit.
Is there something in the water, that's causing simple information exchanges to be peppered with insults and name calling? Whatever the cause, it needs to stop.
Post responsibly - discuss facts.
As to the OP, you have been shown the law, been given an accurate interpretation of it - the rest of it is up to you.
The lady/instructor in question is in this case wrong. I would go so far as to report what you claim is being taught to the certifying authority if she does not acknowledge the error and change the way she is instructing.
Post responsibly - discuss facts.
As to the OP, you have been shown the law, been given an accurate interpretation of it - the rest of it is up to you.
The lady/instructor in question is in this case wrong. I would go so far as to report what you claim is being taught to the certifying authority if she does not acknowledge the error and change the way she is instructing.
NHCGRPR45
Regular Member
Maybe not so much? Its is or at least was a common miss-conception, it happens I have been told this same thing from many people when I started OC'ing, cops CPL instructors. I suppose it comes from the name of the license itself "Concealed Pistol License" or "Concealed Carry Weapon" as its more commonly known. Its goes to assuming that "concealed" is the operable word I guess.
backenj
Regular Member
To clarify
A few things. I am only a newbie to this discussion board, not to guns. I have only had my CPL for a few weeks. It is easier to transport and purchase new guns with it. The only reason I asked the question on here is because I knew that a CPL does not take away your right to OC. I was in there to look at a holster for a new gun I purchased. I wanted one the I can use for OC or CC. That's when she said the stuff about no OC with a CPL. I wasn't asking what the law was, just asking for confirmation. I thought maybe I misunderstood the law when she said that. MIB, you should relax a little bit and stop assuming I don't know anything, or didn't look myself what the law says. My words "that's not true, right".
A few things. I am only a newbie to this discussion board, not to guns. I have only had my CPL for a few weeks. It is easier to transport and purchase new guns with it. The only reason I asked the question on here is because I knew that a CPL does not take away your right to OC. I was in there to look at a holster for a new gun I purchased. I wanted one the I can use for OC or CC. That's when she said the stuff about no OC with a CPL. I wasn't asking what the law was, just asking for confirmation. I thought maybe I misunderstood the law when she said that. MIB, you should relax a little bit and stop assuming I don't know anything, or didn't look myself what the law says. My words "that's not true, right".
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PDinDetroit
Regular Member
Welcome to OCDO. Do not let this first thread bother you too much, things like this happen from time to time.
You are correct, she is incorrect, if you go back there you can simply print out MSP Legal Update #86 and hand it to her stating "thought you should know about this". Erasers make me learn, so maybe she will take a similar attitude.
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf\
Carry on!
You are correct, she is incorrect, if you go back there you can simply print out MSP Legal Update #86 and hand it to her stating "thought you should know about this". Erasers make me learn, so maybe she will take a similar attitude.
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf\
Carry on!
Yooper
Regular Member
I think if the shop owner actually stopped, and thought about what she said, she'd realize that it doesn't make sense.
Is there any permit/license a person can get that RESTRICTS what they can do, beyond what they could do without such license? I can't think of any.
But then again.....it IS the government we're talking about....
Is there any permit/license a person can get that RESTRICTS what they can do, beyond what they could do without such license? I can't think of any.
But then again.....it IS the government we're talking about....
Tucker6900
Regular Member
I understand what you were looking for.
But in the future, realize one thing. The shop owner may be a gun expert, but that doesnt mean she is an expert on gun laws. Just like a 2A lawyer may not be an expert on guns.
As already stated, there are alot of misconceptions about the firearm laws of Michigan when it comes to carrying. Generally, the place where you will get the most ignorance is, sadly, from law enforcement. Police officers have their own takes on what the law means, and it leads to unlawful harassment and detainment of legal open carriers. Its happened quite a few times in Michigan.
Please, please, please take the time to read Michigans firearm law in full. There is alot of information in there that will help you down the road. Then you will be armed with more than the ability to defend yourself physically, but lawfully as well.
Good luck. And be safe.
But in the future, realize one thing. The shop owner may be a gun expert, but that doesnt mean she is an expert on gun laws. Just like a 2A lawyer may not be an expert on guns.
As already stated, there are alot of misconceptions about the firearm laws of Michigan when it comes to carrying. Generally, the place where you will get the most ignorance is, sadly, from law enforcement. Police officers have their own takes on what the law means, and it leads to unlawful harassment and detainment of legal open carriers. Its happened quite a few times in Michigan.
Please, please, please take the time to read Michigans firearm law in full. There is alot of information in there that will help you down the road. Then you will be armed with more than the ability to defend yourself physically, but lawfully as well.
Good luck. And be safe.
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WilDChilD
Regular Member
8 minutes. Becuase none us gave him a link? Sorry I dont sit by the computer waiting to give advise. By the time I saw the post I didnt think answering his question would help because he wasnt coming back. If people shouldnt ask questions we should just post links to the laws and get rid of the forum. I dont know who ****** in your coffee but everybody should get a nice answer especially new people. I dont know if we have enough support to chase off new people.
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wrightme
Regular Member
You made the mistake of falsely assuming that he hadn't already read the law.
MiB said:
Once again....
Low post count means nothing as to whether he is aware of the laws or not.
stainless1911
Banned
Im glad you came back. Many don't after such a rude greeting.
Gary's Guns right?
She is always proclaiming that open carry is completely illegal as well. Ignore her. She is an idiot. So is Gary for that matter.
stainless1911
Banned
What's the number?
WilDChilD
Regular Member
Ah sh!t. They gonna have Stainless on their a$$ now. I dont know the number but I will find it for you buddy. Maybe we should wait for backenj to respond that its the correct store.
WilDChilD
Regular Member
GARY'S GUNS INC.
4021 APPLE AVE.
MUSKEGON MICHIGAN 49442
PHONE; (231)-788-5159
e-mail; garysguns2000@yahoo.com
ManInBlack
Regular Member
A person who had read the laws wouldn't be wondering if he forfeits his right to OC by having a CPL, as there is clearly no prohibition. If he had read the laws, he most certainly wouldn't be coming here, asking a bunch of random people whether or not a gun store floozie's word supercedes state law.
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WilDChilD
Regular Member
Did somebody hear something? Oh well.