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    Obtaining a CPL in Michigan - Story mentions open carry

    "In addition to concealing a pistol, a CPL allows gun owners to open carry inside a variety of places including a church, court, theater, sports arena, day care center, hospital and an establishment licensed under the Liquor Control Code. Public schools are not listed as an area restricted by the open carry law, allowing anyone with a registered firearm to open carry on school grounds."


    http://www.tctimes.com/living/featur...9bb2963f4.html

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    Thanks for the link. The article is wrong though. CPL fee is $105
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    Major error in that article. Here's my comment that is "being reviewed."

    Refreshing to see an article on obtaining a CPL mention how open carry + CPL can enhance your ability to carry. However, there was one major mistake that has the potetnial to land people in serious trouble.

    This statement: "Public schools are not listed as an area restricted by the open carry law, allowing anyone with a registered firearm to open carry on school grounds." Is a half truth and has the potential to cause problems for the uninformed.

    A CPL IS needed to possess a firearm on school grounds BUT that firearm must be carried openly. MCL 750.237a (4) prohibits the possession of a weapon in a "weapon free school zone," which is defined later in the same law. However, subsection (5) of that same law provides an exemption for any person that is "An individual licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon." While MCL 28.425o specifically prohibits the concealed carry of a pistol in a school so the combination of these two laws results in concealed carry in a school being illegal while OPEN carry WITH a CPL is legal.
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    Good follow up, do you think they will print a retraction?
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    Heck, I'm just happy the comment finally made it through. Wish I would have caught the typos before I submitted it though.

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    Another error I noticed was where it said you can OC with a CPL in a court. I believe that is incorrect. Please set me straight if I am mistaken.

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    No, you can't carry in a court. They will steal your gun, and likely keep it for their own use, or give it to their brother, freind, kids, or their SHTF collection.

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    Oh good catch on the court. Maybe I'll go back and leave another comment.

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    Submitted a comment on the court issue but forgot to copy it before I hit submit so we'll just have to wait to read my silver tinged prose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Submitted a comment on the court issue but forgot to copy it before I hit submit so we'll just have to wait to read my silver tinged prose
    Comment is up:
    Hello again, same anonymous poster as below here. It was pointed out to that there was another error in the article that has potential for danger for the uninformed.

    The statement: "...a CPL allows gun owners to open carry inside a variety of places including a church, COURT..." is not correct.
    Michigan Supreme Court Administrative Order 2001-1 states that weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy. Each court is required to submit a written policy conforming with this order to the State Court Administrator for approval. Courts are encouraged to collaborate with other entities in shared facilities and, where appropriate, to work with local funding units in developing the policy, which may be a separate plan or part of a general security program.
    Here's a link to a sample of a local court policy as: http://courts.michigan.gov/scao/reso...ao15-model.doc
    Many chief justices make the determination that the entire building that houses a court or court offices falls under their security plan and make the entire a facility a no-carry zone. So if your City Clerk offices are in the same building as a court or some court offices you may not be able to carry there per this order.

    Michigan gun laws are a confusing, convoluted, intertwining mess and while I do greatly appreciate the effort of the author to bring to light the benefits of obtaining a CPL and specifically the benefits of open carry with a CPL, clearly more research should have been done. In the future I would encourage this or any other authors wishing to write on the subject to contact Michigan Open Carry as they are very focused on the laws surrounding this issue. http://www.miopencarry.org/
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