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    open carry in hospital???

    my nephew is in the hospital. can i open carry in his room?

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    If he's not in the psych ward AND hospitals (most) are private property, so they can ask you to leave.

    I would cover, personally.
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    There are no legal restrictions on carrying in a hospital. Just be aware that hospitals are private businesses and have the right to ask you to leave if they don't like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi View Post
    There are no legal restrictions on carrying in a hospital. Just be aware that hospitals are private businesses and have the right to ask you to leave if they don't like it.

    This, AND IIRC there was some issue a few years back where they all had to adopt no-weapons policies. Every hospital I've paid attention to has had it posted at the door. Just conceal & don't get to close to the MRI machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi View Post
    There are no legal restrictions on carrying in a hospital. Just be aware that hospitals are private businesses and have the right to ask you to leave if they don't like it.
    As mentioned - RCW 9.41.300 does prohibit it in certain places in a hospital

    The restricted access areas of a public mental health facility certified by the department of social and health services for inpatient hospital care and state institutions for the care of the mentally ill, excluding those facilities solely for evaluation and treatment. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress and ingress open to the general public;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi View Post
    There are no legal restrictions on carrying in a hospital. Just be aware that hospitals are private businesses and have the right to ask you to leave if they don't like it.
    Might think about what you wrote here....Hospital MAY BE private property...not all hospitals are private...Harborview comes to mind, as does North Valley in Tonasket. Both are fully Public hospitals, paid for by property and sales taxes.

    Also, if you have a "private" hospital, and it is supported by a "Hospital District" and property tax, is it "private"? or not?????

    I would not be so big on the "Private" on any Hospital outside a big city...I do believe "Swedish" and St Joe's are actually true private hospitals, but United General outside Sedro and The Hospital in Mt Vernon, I'm not so sure of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    If the hospital is public, operated by a government other than the State of Washington or Federal then they are prohibited by RCW 9.41.290 from banning firearms except in the secure areas of the mental health ward.
    I agree 100%...that is why I posted that fact that not all hospitals are in fact "private", there are many that are public, and are funded publicly...like NVH just did an expansion..we all voted on the "revenue bonds" Private corperation funded by public funds...don't think so.

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    I know Harrison hospital in bremerton and silverdale and Vergina Mason in Seattle have very clear no weapons signs posted at the door
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    Every hospital I've been in recently has a clearly posted sign banning guns. At some, if you visit after regular business hours you have to enter through the ER entrance and some even have metal detectors or a guard with a "wand".
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    My wife is a nurse at MultiCare. When I go to visit her at work (lunch dates) I always conceal so as not to give them a reason to lay her off. They did a lot of lay-offs last summer.

    Also the office she works in is the only one I could find in the whole building tht has a no firearms sticker per MultiCare policy. Yet her office is the only one.

    I know Good Sam in Puyallup has no firearms signs at the door. I just conceal in there.

    While trying to find whether MultiCare's policy was actually "No Firearms" I found this on page 20 of the slide show.

    "Call when staff are concerned about their own safety and the safety of others and suspect that someone has a weapon or has taken a hostage"

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...xZHZKsz7I5BL8g

    The thing that stood out to me is that they teach staff/students to call a code silver if they even suspect someone has a weapon and Law Enforcement may be called.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    "Call when staff are concerned about their own safety and the safety of others and suspect that someone has a weapon or has taken a hostage"
    The way that is phrased suggests to me that they consider the ONLY reason someone might have a weapon is to take a hostage or commit some other illegal act.

    The thing is, there are literally tens of thousands of objects in a hospital, the most obvious being scalpels, that can be used as a weapon. Guns are tools, just like scalpels are, and both can be misused. Should someone call a code silver just because surgery is taking place? The surgeon has a bladed weapon in hand, after all...

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    If the hospital is public, operated by a government other than the State of Washington or Federal then they are prohibited by RCW 9.41.290 from banning firearms except in the secure areas of the mental health ward.
    I can see how a federal facility, on federal land, could be exempt from the state preemption. But you seem to be saying a state-operated hospital would be exempted from .290 as well, and I'm wondering how exactly is a state-operated hospital not subject to state law? A mere regulation is subordinate to an RCW, which is in turn subordinate to the state constitution.
    Last edited by Difdi; 05-03-2012 at 08:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    The way that is phrased suggests to me that they consider the ONLY reason someone might have a weapon is to take a hostage or commit some other illegal act.

    The thing is, there are literally tens of thousands of objects in a hospital, the most obvious being scalpels, that can be used as a weapon. Guns are tools, just like scalpels are, and both can be misused. Should someone call a code silver just because surgery is taking place? The surgeon has a bladed weapon in hand, after all...



    I can see how a federal facility, on federal land, could be exempt from the state preemption. But you seem to be saying a state-operated hospital would be exempted from .290 as well, and I'm wondering how exactly is a state-operated hospital not subject to state law? A mere regulation is subordinate to an RCW, which is in turn subordinate to the state constitution.
    Maybe because most State Hospitals are either Mental Hospitals which automatically are a GFZ, or School property where the State may declare it a GFZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Where did I go 'ballistic'? I simply asked you to cite your statement as I believe it to be misleading.

    No the state may not declare it a GFZ, they are in violation of the RCW.

    Relax.
    A statement of MAY is misleading? And then continued insistence that I am wrong, implying that because of RCW 9.41.290 The State of Washington can not determine a School a GFZ.. Hummm, think about what you are saying with that..


    In the mean time.. Please read the following and consider how that also would apply to the Rules that the Legislature of the State of Washington May (there is that word again) enact since they have the Full Authority under .290 to do so as they authored RCW 9.41.290 to begin with. LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    RCW 9.41.290:

    "RCW 9.41.290
    State preemption.

    The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components."

    Who operates a state-operated hospital in the state of Washington? The State of Washington does. Who does RCW 9.41.290 say has the power to occupy the entire field of firearms regulation? The State of Washington. So, if the State of Washington operates a state-operated hospital and the State of Washington occupies the entire field of firearms regulation, what would prevent the State of Washington from regulating the possession of firearms in the hospitals that the State of Washington operates?
    Then I would like to post that for the University of Washington, Title 478 of the Washington Administrative Code applies.
    In this cite.. I will agree it is written to effect Students only, unlike a couple of the others I posted last night which were worded to apply to all who enter the campus. However, the wording in this is generic enough to cause Local LEOs to become involved if need be.
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.a...te=478-120-020
    WAC 478-120-020
    (3) Specific instances of misconduct include, but are not limited to:
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    (f) Possession or use of firearms, explosives, dangerous chemicals or other dangerous weapons or instrumentalities on university premises, except for authorized university purposes, unless prior written approval has been obtained from the university chief of police, or any other person designated by the president of the university (see WAC 478-124-020 (2)(e)) (legal defense sprays are not covered by this section);
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Who operates a state-operated hospital in the state of Washington? The State of Washington does. Who does RCW 9.41.290 say has the power to occupy the entire field of firearms regulation? The State of Washington. So, if the State of Washington operates a state-operated hospital and the State of Washington occupies the entire field of firearms regulation, what would prevent the State of Washington from regulating the possession of firearms in the hospitals that the State of Washington operates?
    The problem there, is that most elements of the state government lack the authority to create statutes. As such, their policies may forbid something, but it's not a statute, and therefore breaking it is not a crime.

    Then there's the state constitution. The state constitution's protection on keeping and bearing arms is stronger than the second amendment. If a statute can override the constitution then the constitution does not, effectively, exist. Sure, people ignore the law all the time, but that makes them lawbreakers, it doesn't repeal the law(s).

    If a WAC can repeal the constitutional right to keep and bear arms, then a WAC could also repeal any other constitutional right. Freedom of religion, for example. A WAC mandating, say, Southern Baptist as the only permissible religion in the facility, would be just as legal as a WAC that creates a firearms ban. And just as enforceable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    I am no longer a student, and the worst that can happen is that I am asked to leave. As an alum I attend many events at the UW and I carry each and every time. They may seem to be a GFZ for the student's, but even that is questionable under Article I Sec. 24 of the State Constitution and the RCW.
    Not to mention the fact that they can call it a "gun free zone" all they want. Doesn't mean there are no guns there. There's a woman in Portland that had her breasts removed and is legally a man. She had a baby, so apparently she's still a woman no matter what a piece of paper says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tombrewster421 View Post
    Not to mention the fact that they can call it a "gun free zone" all they want. Doesn't mean there are no guns there. There's a woman in Portland that had her breasts removed and is legally a man. She had a baby, so apparently she's still a woman no matter what a piece of paper says.
    Evedintly in Canada they have been able to change the birth certificate for a transgender male that has been converted to a female.
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2...he-wrong-body/

    I think trump went about this all wrong, instead of banning trannies, he should just ban any woman who has had any cosmetic surgery, Even natural born women should be banned if they had breast implants, these shows should be about natural beauty not how well they can alter themselves.
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    A little OT

    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Evedintly in Canada they have been able to change the birth certificate for a transgender male that has been converted to a female.
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2...he-wrong-body/

    I think trump went about this all wrong, instead of banning trannies, he should just ban any woman who has had any cosmetic surgery, Even natural born women should be banned if they had breast implants, these shows should be about natural beauty not how well they can alter themselves.
    I think the topic is starting to wander
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