self preservation
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I understand your situation, but even those that have the money to do so don't want to spend it trying to get the government to obey the law. Michael Mitchell didn't want to get fired from his job and be refuse admission to UK's medical school, the colonists did not want to fight and die to gain independence from Great Britain, the founding father's did not want to give up their prosperous occupations to argue for months on the wording of the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution. Nobody wants to get involved in these things, they are not pleasant, but they need to be pursued at every opportunity to maintain our rights. The alternative is tyranny. We don't need to fight alone. Michael Mitchell had less than you have, I suspect. He got help from KC3 and now is looking at a possible large settlement. Help is available to those that have a winnable case and are in the right. No one has money to waste on a fruitless endeavors. The Second Amendment Foundation is racking up win after win in court. Each of them makes money for them and their attorneys and funds the next suit. Members of this board in other states have received donations to help them fight repressive government actions. This is why we must know the law and be absolutely certain that we are in the right. We must stand together, none of us can fight the government alone. They can always out spend us. We need to out smart them.People on this board are fond of saying that "you may beat the charge, but you can't beat the ride" and that is true. We need to change that to. "you might make the arrest, but you can't miss the lawsuit".
Love the "you might make the arrest, but you can't miss the lawsuit" saying. I'll give you a dollar everytime I say it from now on. I understand your points and am glad you see mine. Another old saying that I often remember is "a man must pick his battles" And by that I mean we are all fighting the same war, we just sometimes are fighting different battles to win this common war. I believe that you are that one that once told me that "our rights are always under attack" and I agree. One user on OCDO was fighting an illegal seizure of his firearm, another fighting LFUCG over illegal signs and ordinances. Two members talked to like dog sh!t and had to face the treat of arrest even though they are dead right in what they are saying. One that was trying to find information out after he was refused to buy hollow points because the sheriff said the dealer couldnt sell those "cop killers" to just anyone . I myself feel that I have made a small contribution to this cause by preventing such illegal signs from going up. Everyone has their place on these issues and none of us can take on the whole enchilada on our own. Now you mention that a lot of folks have had to do a lot of things that were not pleasant...I agree. But my simple stance on the OC'd gun in a seated position and being charged with CC is this, I agree it's BS and would be an illegal charge, but at this point in my life I cant "bait" a LEO just to see if I can get a good outcome in court and to claim a victory for us all. Now years down the road when my son is grown, my wife has ran off with a rich doctor, my house is finally paid for and I'm retired....I could be more apt to push this issue and test the waters. And just like you mentioned with the Mitchell case, I'm sure he didnt want to face this headache, and I'm sure he will get a little pocket money for his troubles. But I also bet that his family has felt the financial sting of this ordeal. Now granted he will turn out fine in the long run and I'm sorry he was the one that had to fight this battle. But I doubt he came to work and thought "hope they fire me so I can sue because I know I'm in the right and will win in court" If I remember correctly either Kyglockster or issac made the comment in a post that they would still fight Lawerence county illegal ordinance, but after they faced the threat of arrest that they would probably not OC there again until they could get something changed (not word for word but I think I'm pretty close to how that went. If I am way off base I'm sorry) I guess I'm just taking their risk vs benefit attitude for the time being. And as you said, if an OC'er gets a CC charge today..I will be more than glad to throw as many dollars his way as I can to help him. But for me, I just simply can't volunteer to fight that beast right now. At least not that beast. Now I OC everyday and could be arrested and face charges for doing so.(probably wont happen but could) But I am willing to take that risk and fight that beast because I feel more strongly about OC in general than I do about a BS CC charged when one is in fact OC'ing. Like I stated, we all have our battles that we can and can not fight...this is just one battle that for now I can not be the "Micheal Mitchell" on.