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    The day I decided to get armed. A very near miss story.

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    How far is halfway and how many random turns?

    If I feel like someone is following me, I'll take random turns and do loops. Either they will figure out I have spotted them and buzz off, or they were never following me In the first place. I know at least once or twice people have actually followed me, dunno why though.

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    I had an incident off I95 coming home for Florida with my toddlers. My car blew a tire and I had to pull off the highway into a gas station. It was a holiday, so the station was closed. I was young and more stupid for several vulnerabilities obviously exposed.

    I got out to do the repair when a fellow came up from behind me, started grabbing my tools and doing the repair over my polite objections. His response was one of those courteous, "ah, don't worry about it" attitudes from him each time I protested.

    He completed the repair and demanded money, which I didn't have any cash. Things started getting awkward real quick. He wanted a check, I didn't have those with me either. I only carried credit cards. For what seemed like an eternity, we stood there in a sort of face off and I noticed him starting to survey his surroundings so I came up with a partial lie: "Look, I have kids in the car, I'm scared and I'm armed. Why don't we call it a day?" I patted my shirt where I wished a 9 or a 45 would be sitting if I was truly armed; instead, only a pager was there.

    I think he might have thought i was lying, but couldn't be sure. He looked at where i was patting for a few seconds and then turned to leave, begrudgingly.

    I wish I knew the laws back then like I know them now. I would not have been so defenseless.

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    Old codgers like me get really warm and fuzzy (but only in a good way) feelings when reading stories like these.

    Instead of doing facepalms and muttering things like "You just cannot fix stupid, no matter how much you want to," I get to do a mental happy dance (do not go there - there is not enough brain bleach) about someone that has learned why to be situationally aware and prepared to deal with those who might do harm to them and theirs.

    Probably the hardest thing for folks to do is stop fighting that voice in their head telling them "Danger, Will Robinson!" Folks have been conditioned to only think good thoughts about the world - I guess it comes from singing Kumbya too often as a child. Especially when it comes to strangers, I do not care if their feewings get all hurted because I told them to Stop! or to move back away from me. If I did not invite them into my personal space then they were the ones who were impolite by barging on in. Even Ann Landers and Miss Manners (now both out of publication) agreed that ettiquete did not require that I allow others to be impolite towards me. They just preferred that I deal with folks who were impolite in a different way - but then they never discussed creepy guys in deserted parking lots or someone taking hold of your tools uninvited and then demanding money.*

    stay safe.

    *I don't know if Google still has anything about the bums in big cities who wash (smear dirty water on) your windshield and then demand money. There were rumors of some of them being bumped, or even run over, by drivers who would not fall for that attempt at extortion. not that I had any first-hand knowledge of anything like that.
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    To make it short, two weeks ago, after leaving the IRS office near my home, I reholstered my concealed handgun (Texas, so there is no open carry). Not three miles later, traffic stopped suddenly and I ended up in front of a fast food parking lot driveway. I was talking to the IRS on the phone, and when the car trying to get out honked at me (with me not having any options to move) I flipped the bird without looking at the other driver (in a friendly way, really, but, yes it is a bad habit.) The other driver then started yelling and cussing and honking. by this time, I was watching his hands. The car ahead of me rolled forward a few feet and the rude driver pulled across in front of me, stopped, got out of his car and began threatening me. For about a minute, it seemed that I really was going to have no options, but with the doors and windows closed, I just waited and tried to not aggravate the angry man. (Muscled and looked as if maybe it was roid-induced road rage)

    After the first minute, he had moved away from my passenger door and was just yelling and gesturing, so I figured his death was not imminent. He initially acted as if he would try opening my passenger side door, which was my line in the sand.

    I did not feel a need to act sooner since I was carrying, and know that it takes less than 2 seconds for me to be out of the holster and have multiple shots on target (I had made sure my weapon was accessible in my seated position.)

    Part of my thought process was "people are watching, and if I have to do this, I don't want them to say 'he brandished/reacted/whatever that seemed to anger the other (dead) driver.'" Seems to me that it is always better to be completely blameless if things go bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameisgood View Post
    I flipped the bird without looking at the other driver (in a friendly way, really, but, yes it is a bad habit.) ....

    Seems to me that it is always better to be completely blameless if things go bad.
    But you were not entirely blameless. Flipping someone the bird may be considered "fighting words" in the hands of either a prosecutor or a lawyer representing the dead driver's estate.

    Sometimes it is a true blessing that the windows are rolled up, the radio is playing, and those outside my vehicle cannot hear the running dialogue. While I have never offered violence towards anyone I will admit to speculating on the mental capabilities of certain drivers or pedestrians, as well as the occasional traffic engineer.

    stay safe.
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    My wife was in CAMC General in Charleston WV a few months ago, the hospital is weapon free zone, and the way the parking is you cant run to your car to holster up everytime you want to streach your legs around the block. When the sun goes down in that part of town the beggers and dope heads come out. It is an unsafe enviorment, i was approached several times by people needing bus ticket money, food ect. I was uncomfortable off the hospital property and Charleston has a NO OPEN CARRY law. I live about 30 miles from Charleston and used to have to drive thur the BAD part of town in my work truck after dark, I always lock the back door on my box truck, if I lived there would deffinetly get my CCW.
    I am not a gun nut, nor am I a nut with a gun
    I simply rufuse to be a helpless victim, I may be unable to stop myself from being a victim but at least I wont be helpless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    How far is halfway and how many random turns?

    If I feel like someone is following me, I'll take random turns and do loops. Either they will figure out I have spotted them and buzz off, or they were never following me In the first place. I know at least once or twice people have actually followed me, dunno why though.

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    They where with the goverment....lol

    Get out the tinfoil hats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    But you were not entirely blameless. Flipping someone the bird may be considered "fighting words" in the hands of either a prosecutor or a lawyer representing the dead driver's estate.

    Sometimes it is a true blessing that the windows are rolled up, the radio is playing, and those outside my vehicle cannot hear the running dialogue. While I have never offered violence towards anyone I will admit to speculating on the mental capabilities of certain drivers or pedestrians, as well as the occasional traffic engineer.

    stay safe.
    Maybe he was just sending the 1 minute signal to the other driver by holding up one finger....lol

    This is why you flip someone off using two fingers like they do in Europe....Americans have no clue you are flipping them off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    They where with the goverment....lol

    Get out the tinfoil hats.
    If only that were true.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    Maybe he was just sending the 1 minute signal to the other driver by holding up one finger...
    Yes, yes, that's what I meant.

    And if you get that kind of angry about me stopping at a red light, inadvertently blocking your urgent get away from Jack-in-the-Box, and go (nearly) ballistic in response to the bird, you don't need to be driving. A lawyer can argue anything, since arguing is mostly what they do (present company excluded.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    *I don't know if Google still has anything about the bums in big cities who wash (smear dirty water on) your windshield and then demand money. There were rumors of some of them being bumped, or even run over, by drivers who would not fall for that attempt at extortion. not that I had any first-hand knowledge of anything like that.
    Not a rumor. At least in DC. Happened to me about 8 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    Not a rumor. At least in DC. Happened to me about 8 years ago.
    You were a bum running the "wash your windshield" scam in DC about 8 years ago who got "bumped" or run over by an unwilling participant?

    Guess that helped you turn your life around.

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    You were a bum running the "wash your windshield" scam in DC about 8 years ago who got "bumped" or run over by an unwilling participant?

    Guess that helped you turn your life around.

    stay safe.
    Yeah, I'm still a bum.... but I 'don't do windows' anymore!!

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    A word in the defense of noname's use of the KMA hand signal.

    The KMA signal comes as standard equipment on most vehicle models in the DFW area. Any dude jumping out of his vehicle and approaching another driver like that is exhibiting symptoms of road rage, and disorderly conduct deserving of immediate police assistance.

    I saw something similar on Hwy 377 in Watauga, Texas several years back. In the midst of stalled traffic backed up from Loop 820 "Blutto" jumps out of his vehicle, and starts threatening "Mr Peepers" in the vehicle behind him. A this point the uniformed officer behind the wheel in his personal vehicle next to them opened his door, stepped out, and invited "Blutto" to pull over on the next side-street and join him for a little one-on-one session.

    I believe Section 42.01 of the Texas Penal Code still lists the display of "obscene" gestures intended to incite violence as constituting disorderly conduct, but social norms are not what they used to be. These days most folks consider the KMA gesture to be a First Amendment exercise.

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    I find it is usally the person that is doing the flipping off that has the problem...not always but a lot of the time. I also find that if someone is flipping me off it is better to just smile and wave. It really pisses them off then...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    I find it is usally the person that is doing the flipping off that has the problem...not always but a lot of the time. I also find that if someone is flipping me off it is better to just smile and wave. It really pisses them off then...lol

    If someone honks, like that I would fly the bird too.

    As for my story... I was in Bellevue Washington in a big diesel F250 that I had given some body damage to.

    Had some Ahole in a BMW try to cut me off from the right side, I held my ground he got up to speed and around me. Next light we stopped he got out and started yelling at me. I rev'd my engine a little and started toward his nice new BMW. I was going to smash his car to get away from him. He got the clue and scurried back to his car. No gun needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameisgood View Post
    I did not feel a need to act sooner since I was carrying, and know that it takes less than 2 seconds for me to be out of the holster and have multiple shots on target (I had made sure my weapon was accessible in my seated position.)
    I suggest you evaluate realistically.

    "Less than 2 seconds", while seated (seatbelt on) in a vehicle, weapon concealed under fabric on your person, is simply not a reality.

    Was the firearm in a glovebox or other external area?

    Even then, less than 2 seconds is not a reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rushcreek2 View Post
    <snip> I believe Section 42.01 of the Texas Penal Code still lists the display of "obscene" gestures intended to incite violence as constituting disorderly conduct, but social norms are not what they used to be. These days most folks consider the KMA gesture to be a First Amendment exercise.
    Many these days confuse license for liberty!

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    If someone honks, like that I would fly the bird too.

    As for my story... I was in Bellevue Washington in a big diesel F250 that I had given some body damage to.

    Had some Ahole in a BMW try to cut me off from the right side, I held my ground he got up to speed and around me. Next light we stopped he got out and started yelling at me. I rev'd my engine a little and started toward his nice new BMW. I was going to smash his car to get away from him. He got the clue and scurried back to his car. No gun needed.
    I love driving an old car. As the saying goes, the older car (or rental car) wins! :-)
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    Flipping people off, no matter the reason, is never a good idea. Besides, waving and smiling, or giving the thumbs up, or blowing them a kiss usually works better. lol
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    I have had only one instance where I felt I needed to draw my weapon.......I was down at the va beach ocean front leaving the 1st street park with my two kids and my wife, well to anyone who knows the area it's a 25mph road as I was driving along there's a car in front of me and two "bikers" behind me who felt the need to fly up on my bumper and fall back all while revving well at one point they fly around me only to be stuck behind the car in front of me who has now stopped for the light well I stop a good 40' behind them not trying to start anything as my young kids are in the back and all windows are down, so one of them after a second turns around and starts yelling at me then proceeds to get off the bike! So as he does I tell him out the window nicely you might want to stay on your bike! well that just seemed to piss him off more so now he's walking up all the while calling my wife and myself some pretty foul words and verbally communicating threats of bodily harm! well by this time I have warned him several times to "re-think" his actions and I have already drawn my weapon as he got within striking distance to me and MY CHILD I had my weapon on him BUT the idiot was so worried about protecting his face/identity he had failed to lift the visor on his full face helmet so as he began to rattle off another threat I looked down at my gun and back up at him real fast he looked down and realized the position he had put himself in(looked like this) but through a helmet!


    well long story short he backed up with his hands in the air walked back to his bike facing me the entire time as I got to my phone and call 911, well after talking to the officer he told me I had done the right thing! and that the police support law abiding citizens of carrying and protecting themselves and there family! he never asked to see my weapon and did not hassle me what so ever! simply took my statement and I was on my way home!

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    As I new to owning a firearm, I have thankfully not had to draw mine. However, there are cases in the past where I wish I had owned one. My most recent example that I can think of: Remember when the rapture was suppose to happen? Well, here in Gastonia we had those road preachers everywhere. At the time, I had a crappy car with no AC. One muggy night, I was driving home from a trip to the movie store. I have my music going, windows down(remember, no AC), and I am coming up to a red light getting ready to turn. Obviously, the people in front of me had their windows up because the road preacher who was screaming at their cars didn't approach any. Then he spotted me. I had tuned him out and was jamming to my musics - enjoying my night off from work. Then, I am rudely introducted to the face of a person screaming that I am going to Hell and I had better repent to my sinful ways. Now, I do have a bit of a temper ( I am Irish after all) so I kindly, using unkindly words, told the preacher to get his head out of my window. He then grabbed my arm and started calling me a devil worshipper hethen seed of blah blah blah. Finally the damn light turned green, cars in front of my moved on and I just drove forward. He let go, I called the cops. I played Rugby with a cop and I talked to him about it. He said it wasn't uncommon when panics happen (Y2K, Rapture, 2012, etc) for the crazies to come out. He told me next time I should suck it up and rolls my windows up or have better situation awareness. He is right. Always be aware of whats around you. He could have been someone there to hit me upside the head and take my car and because of my music and tunnel vision - I would of never known he was coming until it was too late. Glad to know though after my incident the guy was removed(I assume arrested) from the sidewalk area where he was. He had also been slapping peoples cars with his Bible. o.o People can be really crazy when it comes to these end of the world things.

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    Driving home late one night, bartender....its raining. I lived in downtown Hampton, Va at the time and take a shortcut through the ghetto (Shell road > Quash). The road takes a 90 degree turn and I see a big hooptie (caprice, town car, etc...) in the middle of the road. I immediately think "break down" but grab my pistol anyway (it was in the cup holders, yeah yeah it was a long time ago). An urban gentleman gets out of the passenger side of the vehicle and approaches my window. I had it open about 3 inches bc I had been smoking a cig. He pulls out a knife (no clue what kind - shiny - metal) and says "Get out the car." I point my pistol at his chest and say "No." I could think of nothing witty at the moment. He bolted, tripped over something, got in the car, the driver backed up and hit a chain link fence and took off. I sat there and was all , WTF, WTF. Then I sped home. Didnt report it to the police, didnt get the license plate number, there are many hoopties around hampton and I couldnt even tell what color it was. Oh well. Hopefully homey shat himself.

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    these are from some time ago;

    at work, door opens and 4 of the local princes come in, i'm in the bay, by my desk, they spread out before me. i go up to the apparent leader, and ask can i help you? he looks at me, looks at my gun, motions to his buddies, and out the door they go.

    still at work, local gang leader stops in to see what influence he can exert on me. standing there talking to him, it was cold, so i had coat on and cc. he had 50 lbs of gold around his neck. must have pinched my shoulder rig, and the one i was carrying at that time releases it's mag. which drops down through my coat, hits my shoe, and clatters on the floor at 'our feet'. i calmly excuse myself, pick up the mag. open my coat, and smack it back in. guy never batts an eye, is polite, leaves, and never comes back.

    again at work; a local has me do some work, then calls later to complain. threatens me with him and his buddy 'coming down there'. i say ok. they pull in, kid gets out of driver's side, sees gun as is just and is charming as could be, passenger never sets foot out of the car. they leave.

    local gang member walking down street in front of me one day. Lady customer standing out by her car, blabbing on her phone, she doesnt see him, but he sure as hell sees her. gets the fresh meat look in his eyes, and stands there watching her. i see this and step out the door. he sees my gun, and stays put. Lady gets in her car, and leaves, and the local hood continues down the street.

    nothing lately to report, i guess my name and reputation now preceeds me.
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    remember one when I was about 12 years old with my folks on a month long vacation in CO, WY and MT; we stopped early morning in a deserted trailhead area in the national forest somewhere in CO to make breakfast before the day's drive. Couple guys in there mid to late twenties looking like less than desirable characters pull in next to us and get out, acting all shifty and eyeballing the three of us. My father is a retired LEO and while these guys were deciding how they were going to rob us or whatever, he calmly retrieves his snubby out of the truck cab and shoves it in his pants.

    Suddenly the two wierdos decided it was time to leave... what a coincidence!

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