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    Thumbs down Illegal aliens get your tax dollars

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/161729092...ayers-billions

    "May 2, 2012- 3:21 - Report: $4 billion claimed by illegal immigrations through child tax credit each year"

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    If the child is an American citizen then the parents ought to be able to claim them when filing for taxes. Here's the real sticker: Illegals are actually filing for and paying their taxes. So much for claiming they aren't paying taxes, and merely sucking off the system.
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    This goes to show, that SOME illegals are filing taxes.. Generally being low wage earners, one can assume they "get back" everything paid in. Assuming they are employed (illegally) by someone who doesn't care if they perpetuate the fraudulent employment of an illegal alien.

    There will be exceptions I am sure, but few and far in between. We know that generally illegals are paid under the table anyway, so even this case where illegals are claiming tax credits for their children is going to be an exception.

    There are legal ways to enter our country. I know immigrants who are genuinely upset and angry at those who are here illegally, because they went through the steps to do things the right way. Now that this issue is in the limelight, every single immigrant is looked upon negatively in most cases. Which is a shame. Also reminds me a bit of the rallys around the Oregon capitol building where the illegals would be angry that they are called illegals. Claiming, "We aren't illegal, that implies that we are criminals". /facepalm
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    I am no victim, just a poor college student who looks to the day where the rich have the living piss taxed out of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    If the child is an American citizen then the parents ought to be able to claim them when filing for taxes. Here's the real sticker: Illegals are actually filing for and paying their taxes. So much for claiming they aren't paying taxes, and merely sucking off the system.
    How are the ILLEGAL parents filling taxes without SSN numbers if they are illegal then they don't have a SSN. The child that is a citizen has a SSN but a child doesn't file taxes.

    I say if the parent files taxes then send INS to deliever the check and arrest and deport the parents at the same time as they are breaking the law by invading the USA and being here ILLEGALLY.

    That would be funny here is your childs check and cuff them when they reach for it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    How are the ILLEGAL parents filling taxes without SSN numbers if they are illegal then they don't have a SSN.
    Those that do, have fraudulent SSN made and fake identities. I remember seeing this sort of thing when I lived in SoCal years ago. Without a detailed look at the SSN and identity it flies under the IRS radar. Although it is a gamble even then. If one gets picked out for an audit randomly.. You bet your ass that INS will be knocking on doors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VW_Factor View Post
    Those that do, have fraudulent SSN made and fake identities. I remember seeing this sort of thing when I lived in SoCal years ago. Without a detailed look at the SSN and identity it flies under the IRS radar. Although it is a gamble even then. If one gets picked out for an audit randomly.. You bet your ass that INS will be knocking on doors.
    I'm pretty sure our goverment is more inclined to harrass and go after an American Citizen then go after someone here Illegally. That is the track record at lease not just under Obama but Bush and privious administrations.

    If the goverment was serious about these criminals they would seal off the boarders and quit letting in those dam Canadians...

    Who was reading in that I must be talking about the illegals from Mexico?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    I'm pretty sure our goverment is more inclined to harrass and go after an American Citizen then go after someone here Illegally. That is the track record at lease not just under Obama but Bush and privious administrations.

    If the goverment was serious about these criminals they would seal off the boarders and quit letting in those dam Canadians...

    Who was reading in that I must be talking about the illegals from Mexico?
    I met quite a few Canadian immigrants in SoCal as well. Except all of them had their VISAs and Green Cards. (The ones I was friends with anyway).
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    I am no victim, just a poor college student who looks to the day where the rich have the living piss taxed out of them.

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    I just kid the Canadians the only thing that gets me is I keep ending up with their quarters when I get change and don't look....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    If the child is an American citizen then the parents ought to be able to claim them when filing for taxes. Here's the real sticker: Illegals are actually filing for and paying their taxes. So much for claiming they aren't paying taxes, and merely sucking off the system.
    I would say some are or there are some paying some taxes. I know a few in the construction business and there is allot cash handed out instead. So no taxes there, but these same workers may still have tax paying jobs or even be able to claim refunds without claiming income.

    I know this, because one such employer is a shout away from my house. By the way, those that get cash, still qualify for Welfare. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    If the child is an American citizen then the parents ought to be able to claim them when filing for taxes. Here's the real sticker: Illegals are actually filing for and paying their taxes. So much for claiming they aren't paying taxes, and merely sucking off the system.
    Please cite the law making the earnings of citizens the subject of the income tax. You can't do it.

    Please, don't even start talking about a subject that you've not studied on. Don't even go with the 16th Amendment for many reasons.

    BTW Only a withholding agent is paying the income tax.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    How are the ILLEGAL parents filling taxes without SSN numbers if they are illegal then they don't have a SSN. The child that is a citizen has a SSN but a child doesn't file taxes.

    I say if the parent files taxes then send INS to deliever the check and arrest and deport the parents at the same time as they are breaking the law by invading the USA and being here ILLEGALLY.

    That would be funny here is your childs check and cuff them when they reach for it.....
    Citizens are not required to obtain a SSN unless they wish to collect socialist security benefits.

    If you wish to dispute this claim you will have to cite the law showing that citizens are required to have a SSN.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Citizens are not required to obtain a SSN unless they wish to collect socialist security benefits.

    If you wish to dispute this claim you will have to cite the law showing that citizens are required to have a SSN.
    Taxes are figured and tracked by SSN numbers. You can't file a tax return without a SSN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Please cite the law making the earnings of citizens the subject of the income tax. You can't do it.

    Please, don't even start talking about a subject that you've not studied on. Don't even go with the 16th Amendment for many reasons.

    BTW Only a withholding agent is paying the income tax.
    I will leave it up to this:

    "
    U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8


    Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
    Section 8 - Powers of Congress




    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
    To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
    To provide and maintain a Navy;
    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
    http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html
    You are right, I do know nothing about this subject, which is why I have to offer a quote as an alternative. Sorry about using the Constitution, but you only said that I shouldn't try using the Sixteenth Amendment. You spoke nothing to the entirety of the Constitution.

    I smell a Sovereign.
    Last edited by Beretta92FSLady; 05-09-2012 at 11:57 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I will leave it up to this:



    You are right, I do know nothing about this subject, which is why I have to offer a quote as an alternative. Sorry about using the Constitution, but you only said that I shouldn't try using the Sixteenth Amendment. You spoke nothing to the entirety of the Constitution.

    I smell a Sovereign.
    There is no provision in the Constitution for a tax on the labors of citizens.

    In order to execute any of those powers the laws must be written please cite them.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    There is no provision in the Constitution for a tax on the labors of citizens. In order to execute any of those powers the laws must be written please cite them.
    I get what you are working at here. I agree, the Constitution does not technically state anything.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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