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    oc'ing in starbucks

    i went to a starbucks today. i ordered a hot coco like always. then this lady comes up to me and says "Do You Have A Permit For That Thing!!!!". i told her in a calm voice no and went about my business. A few moments later she returns, cutting everyone in line to tell me that i cant have a firearm in Starbucks. once again i told her in a calm voice that there was no sign saying no firearms and that Washington is a open carry state. Then she tells me she placing me under citizens arrest for brandishing a weapon. once again i told her we are an open carry state and i can legally carry a firearm, yada yada yada. this just makes her lose her mind. she demands i surrender my firearm and hand myself over to the police. she then try ed to reach for my gun. I ******* SNAPPED!!! I shoved her to the ground and told her don't do that. she got and again tried to reach for my gun. i peppered her till the police showed up. man what a day

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    Interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HazardousMijo View Post
    i went to a starbucks today. i ordered a hot coco like always. then this lady comes up to me and says "Do You Have A Permit For That Thing!!!!". i told her in a calm voice no and went about my business. A few moments later she returns, cutting everyone in line to tell me that i cant have a firearm in Starbucks. once again i told her in a calm voice that there was no sign saying no firearms and that Washington is a open carry state. Then she tells me she placing me under citizens arrest for brandishing a weapon. once again i told her we are an open carry state and i can legally carry a firearm, yada yada yada. this just makes her lose her mind. she demands i surrender my firearm and hand myself over to the police. she then try ed to reach for my gun. I ******* SNAPPED!!! I shoved her to the ground and told her don't do that. she got and again tried to reach for my gun. i peppered her till the police showed up. man what a day
    Now THAT's the kind of post I like to read. A real life narrative of a typical OC'ers day!

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    Yep........ this is going to be an interesting thread to follow tomorrow
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    Man, glad I picked up the jumbo sized popcorn at the store (while OCing) this weekend.

    SO, who wants to start the pool on just when this thread will be locked?
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    What was the outcome? Anyone charged with anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    What was the outcome? Anyone charged with anything
    No. The police showed up asked if i wanted to press charges and i said its ok. i got my hot chocolate (free of charge wooot) and i went on with my day. the cop told me i did the right thing, even though i had grounds to defend myself. field day for the press about some armed Mexican shooting a poor defenseless lady. scary stuff

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    WOW...... 0_O

    Did the cop at least explain to her what she did wrong and what the law is?


    What exactly was her responce when you explaned to her the second time about washington states open carry status?

    Inquiring minds want to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlepnier View Post
    WOW...... 0_O

    Did the cop at least explain to her what she did wrong and what the law is?


    What exactly was her responce when you explaned to her the second time about washington states open carry status?

    Inquiring minds want to know.
    when the cop told her i was well within my rights to open carry. she said i was a terrorist or something like that. i dont know, i wanted my coco

    the second time your referring to im guessing is the second time she reached for it. she reached for it again without saying much, or i didn't hear. the only thing on my mind was "SPRAY HER!!!!!!!!" flags going up, heart racing and stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by HazardousMijo View Post
    when the cop told her i was well within my rights to open carry. she said i was a terrorist or something like that. i dont know, i wanted my coco

    the second time your referring to im guessing is the second time she reached for it. she reached for it again without saying much, or i didn't hear. the only thing on my mind was "SPRAY HER!!!!!!!!" flags going up, heart racing and stuff
    You said it made her "loose her mind" when you explaned OC to her. i'm curious what her responce was before she demanded your surrender and attempted the first pistol grab.
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    You must have OC foam otherwise the entire Starbucks would have been in a cloud. I won't carry spray and a gun I don't want to go to court after killing someone and have the judge ask me why I shot and killed the person instead of macing them. Too much liability for me
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    No your not I'm just going along for the ride trying to see how much info I can get out of him nothing ells to do tonight I am certified to carry OC foam at work you can not spray someone until the police arrive and not effect everyone in the store. Especially in a store as small as Starbucks and especially the sprayer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlepnier View Post
    You said it made her "loose her mind" when you explaned OC to her. i'm curious what her responce was before she demanded your surrender and attempted the first pistol grab.
    i tried to word it the best i could but maybe that wasn't a good way to describe it. hmm thinking...... hard to show an expression here. she wasn't surprised, or shocked...but maybe something above that. like someone just told her no for the fisrt time i guess is the best way to explain if that helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    No your not I'm just going along for the ride trying to see how much info I can get out of him nothing ells to do tonight I am certified to carry OC foam at work you can not spray someone until the police arrive and not effect everyone in the store. Especially in a store as small as Starbucks and especially the sprayer
    Foam???

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    can not spray someone until the police arrive
    Wouldn't that depend on technique? A few squirts directly up someones nostrils when needed can keep the overspray down quite a bit.

    I know when I need that special pick-me-up and Starbucks is closed, a spray or two straight up my nostrils will keep me going for a while! It doesn't seem to bother my co-workers at all.

    Foam???
    I always preferred the foam that is orange and leaves an ultra-violet marker after it is washed off. If that one isn't available a nice lavender scented one will work in a pinch.

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    What kind of questions did the reporter ask you?

    There was press involved, right?

    I mean, here in St. Louis (which is a pretty decent sized town) I've seen KSDK air stories about fist fights in the mall parking lot on a slow news day.

    Certainly such a remarkable interaction with a physical assault (by a female, none the less!) a peppering, and one of "those open carriers" the press loves to pounce on would certainly draw a crowd of news crews.

    Certainly.

    As in: Without a shred of doubt.

    Let us know when the story airs.

    BTW: You were keen enough not to speak to the reporters, right? After all, just because you didn't use your firearm to defend yourself, you did use another tool and it is still a self-defense situation. Your attorney will probably be full of advice on how to handle the subsequent investigation.

    You do have an attorney, right?

    After all, when the news segment airing the video clip of the Starbucks employee crying and relating her experience of the big bad gun wielding bully pepper spraying the poor defenseless little old lady, folks are going to be calling for your head al la Zimmerman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HazardousMijo View Post
    i went to a starbucks today. i ordered a hot coco like always. then this lady comes up to me and says "Do You Have A Permit For That Thing!!!!". i told her in a calm voice no and went about my business. A few moments later she returns, cutting everyone in line to tell me that i cant have a firearm in Starbucks. once again i told her in a calm voice that there was no sign saying no firearms and that Washington is a open carry state. Then she tells me she placing me under citizens arrest for brandishing a weapon. once again i told her we are an open carry state and i can legally carry a firearm, yada yada yada. this just makes her lose her mind. she demands i surrender my firearm and hand myself over to the police. she then try ed to reach for my gun. I ******* SNAPPED!!! I shoved her to the ground and told her don't do that. she got and again tried to reach for my gun. i peppered her till the police showed up. man what a day
    Which Starbucks, what location? Provide date and time please.

    Purpose to verify the validity of the reporting of this alleged incident. A proper cite, redacted police report, or news article would have been nice, but have no fear the information or lack thereof can be confirmed by FOIA or a simple visit to the appropriate Starbucks.

    Ever so often we get reports of similar dramatic first encounters that generally (always?) are works of fiction. The ball is in HazardousMijo's court. Verify.
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    I can think of maybe one story in the entire history of this forum which hasn't been conveyed in a "piecemeal" fashion. And that was a stupid one. Obviously, there's some reason folks really want to gripe. Perhaps they shouldn't beat around the bush.

    I wonder if anybody cares to challenge the veracity of the story directly, rather than impugn it by implication and innuendo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
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    Good quote. Maybe they are afraid they're challenge will be misinterpreted as a personal attacks.
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    Considering his other post today about what the "open carry rules" are...I think we all know what this post is. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ton-open-carry

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    Quote Originally Posted by HazardousMijo View Post
    i went to a starbucks today. i ordered a hot coco like always. then this lady comes up to me and says "Do You Have A Permit For That Thing!!!!". i told her in a calm voice no and went about my business. A few moments later she returns, cutting everyone in line to tell me that i cant have a firearm in Starbucks. once again i told her in a calm voice that there was no sign saying no firearms and that Washington is a open carry state. Then she tells me she placing me under citizens arrest for brandishing a weapon. once again i told her we are an open carry state and i can legally carry a firearm, yada yada yada. this just makes her lose her mind. she demands i surrender my firearm and hand myself over to the police. she then try ed to reach for my gun. I ******* SNAPPED!!! I shoved her to the ground and told her don't do that. she got and again tried to reach for my gun. i peppered her till the police showed up. man what a day
    This was in Tacoma yesterday? Where about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    This was in Tacoma yesterday? Where about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiingislife725 View Post
    Considering his other post today about what the "open carry rules" are...I think we all know what this post is. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ton-open-carry
    DING DING DING

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    Quote Originally Posted by HazardousMijo View Post
    i went to a starbucks today. i ordered a hot coco like always. then this lady comes up to me and says "Do You Have A Permit For That Thing!!!!". i told her in a calm voice no and went about my business. A few moments later she returns, cutting everyone in line to tell me that i cant have a firearm in Starbucks. once again i told her in a calm voice that there was no sign saying no firearms and that Washington is a open carry state. Then she tells me she placing me under citizens arrest for brandishing a weapon. once again i told her we are an open carry state and i can legally carry a firearm, yada yada yada. this just makes her lose her mind. she demands i surrender my firearm and hand myself over to the police. she then try ed to reach for my gun. I ******* SNAPPED!!! I shoved her to the ground and told her don't do that. she got and again tried to reach for my gun. i peppered her till the police showed up. man what a day
    Please post the recipe for for "peppered lady" did the police like it?

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