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    oops, loaded OC'd in California

    So I own a machine shop here in Henderson and moved here from Anaheim like 3 years ago or so. I did the whole unloaded OC and even did a couple meetups so I should really really know better. Anyways back to the story, I have been working 12 hour days for 2 1/2 weeks straight without a day off. Needless to say I'm a zombie at this point. Everything is on auto pilot, and I am burned out. Well I finished the job this Sunday, loaded up the die in my truck and left for Harbor City. I stopped at an AM/PM to get some coffee in Barstow or Victorville. I made my way to the counter and the clerk said the coffee was free officer. I was like what? Then it hit me. I AM OC'ing LOADED IN COMMIE LAND!! I grabbed my coffee and feeling like the now criminal I am started to get really nervous. I'm trying to remember the rules there. Was it the bullets have to be in the glove, or the exhaust pipe, or in my pocket? And the gun has to be unloaded out of reach? Or was it in the open but not within 1000 feet of a school pc 626 point <insert random number here> or the second Monday in May if it is raining? FUUUUUUU I found myself trying to think what a gang member would do. Then I realized I don't know any gang members let alone how one would think about hiding a gun. So I decided to unload it and put in under the back seat. Every other trip I make out there I just leave my firearm at home.

    Let this be a lesson to others. Don't act like a simpleton like I did. Not passing a checkpoint into the wonderful state of California I forgot I had to give up some Rights. It just shows how silly things get sometimes. A hard working American can become a felon for crossing an imaginary line. I wish you guys the best in the fight for our Rights out there.

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    Encased and unloaded in ca unless you have a sheriff/ court issued permission slip. Used to be just unloaded open carry only but now pretty much only permission slip conceal carry is allowed unless you meet exemptions to carry openly or are on private property or have permission from a business to carry..

    Edited to clarify. Further clarification below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcice View Post
    Encased and unloaded in ca unless you have a sheriff/ court issued permission slip. Used to be just unloaded but now only permission slip carry is allowed. And then it's conceal only.
    Not even close to correct - please provide citations.

    I'd fix it all for you, but I'm short on time at the moment....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    Not even close to correct - please provide citations.

    I'd fix it all for you, but I'm short on time at the moment....
    I realize I was a bit vague but seriously. It's damn near impossible to unloaded OC when section 5 of the FAQ found here: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/res...is-a-faqs.html
    States in a tidy list all the places you cannot go. For quick reference I've listed them below:

    "5. Where do the general restrictions against carrying unloaded and exposed handguns apply?
    The general restriction only applies to a specific set of eight (8) locations.

    Specific public places
    1. A public place in an incorporated city;
    2. A public place in an incorporated city and county;
    3. A public place in a prohibited area of a county;
    4. A public place in a prohibited area of a city and county;

    Specific public streets
    5. A public street in an incorporated city;
    6. A public street in a city and county;
    7. A public street in a prohibited area of an unincorporated area of a county;
    8. A public street in a prohibited area of an unincorporated area of a city and county;
    "
    If you take that list into account(specifically #6) that leaves private property and places of business you have prior written permission from unless you qualify for one of the 116 exemptions located farther down the linked PDF. 2 of which I mentioned in the original post having to do with being licensed to carry concealed thus exempt(#38/39).

    @mjones - Provided this "cite" is not good enough please provide further information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcice View Post
    @mjones - Provided this "cite" is not good enough please provide further information.
    Thanks for the update! Yes, UOC and LOC are much more difficult then before, but not impossible. The exemption list is quite extensive.

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    Ya but primarily for Leo's and security I noticed. Not a whole lot available for unsworn citizens. Sigh. Glad I don't live there anymore. WI is so much easier to carry.

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    While conceeding that I'm a bit of a maverick - I personally got a kick out of the OP's narrative.

    Goes to show you how stupid the "laws" ( that conflict with the 2A) have become.

    Just a matter of time before this issue gets resolved in the courts.

    Meantime, move as far away from Kalifornia as possible.

    Problem is - the sheep keep moving OUT of CA , and want to import their idiocy into the FREE STATES.
    Last edited by rushcreek2; 05-09-2012 at 04:19 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rushcreek2 View Post
    Problem is - the sheep keep moving OUT of CA , and want to import their idiocy into the FREE STATES.
    Even worse...many of the patriots are leaving too

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    Quote Originally Posted by greengum View Post
    I made my way to the counter and the clerk said the coffee was free officer. I was like what? Then it hit me. I AM OC'ing LOADED IN COMMIE LAND!!
    Quoted for relevance.

    As I have repeatedly asserted, most people (even in California) generally assume, that if you open carry and conduct yourself with courtesy and respect for others, that you are a 'good guy'. And free coffee is a bonus.
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    LOC in California

    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    Thanks for the update! Yes, UOC and LOC are much more difficult then before, but not impossible. The exemption list is quite extensive.
    I've been doing some reading, but in the California Handgun Saftey Certificate Handbook, it states, "Where the population of the county is less than 200,000 persons, the licensing authority may issue a license to carry a pistol, revolver or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, loaded and exposed. (Pen. Code, § 26150.)"

    I was wondering if this permit was valid in other counties? If you get a concealed carry permit, it is valid in other counties, unless otherwise written, correct? Does it apply for LOC permits, also?

    Thanks,


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    Quote Originally Posted by Quickdraw559 View Post
    I've been doing some reading, but in the California Handgun Saftey Certificate Handbook, it states, "Where the population of the county is less than 200,000 persons, the licensing authority may issue a license to carry a pistol, revolver or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, loaded and exposed. (Pen. Code, § 26150.)"

    I was wondering if this permit was valid in other counties? If you get a concealed carry permit, it is valid in other counties, unless otherwise written, correct? Does it apply for LOC permits, also?

    Thanks,


    Quickdraw559
    The carry license in the loaded and exposed format is only valid in the county of issuance.
    New to OPEN CARRY in California? Click and read this first...

    NA MALE SUBJ ON FOOT, LS NB 3 AGO HAD A HOLSTERED HANDGUN ON HIS RIGHT HIP. WAS NOT BRANDISHING THE WEAPON, BUT RP FOUND SUSPICIOUS.
    CL SUBJ IN COMPLIANCE WITH LAW


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    Thanks, man.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    The carry license in the loaded and exposed format is only valid in the county of issuance.
    Thank you, number 3.

    Now, I order you to take a number 2!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcice View Post
    I realize I was a bit vague but seriously. It's damn near impossible to unloaded OC when section 5 of the FAQ found here: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/res...is-a-faqs.html
    States in a tidy list all the places you cannot go. For quick reference I've listed them below:

    "5. Where do the general restrictions against carrying unloaded and exposed handguns apply?
    The general restriction only applies to a specific set of eight (8) locations.

    Specific public places
    1. A public place in an incorporated city;
    2. A public place in an incorporated city and county;
    3. A public place in a prohibited area of a county;
    4. A public place in a prohibited area of a city and county;

    Specific public streets
    5. A public street in an incorporated city;
    6. A public street in a city and county;
    7. A public street in a prohibited area of an unincorporated area of a county;
    8. A public street in a prohibited area of an unincorporated area of a city and county;
    "
    If you take that list into account(specifically #6) that leaves private property and places of business you have prior written permission from unless you qualify for one of the 116 exemptions located farther down the linked PDF. 2 of which I mentioned in the original post having to do with being licensed to carry concealed thus exempt(#38/39).

    @mjones - Provided this "cite" is not good enough please provide further information.
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    I am California born and raised. I moved to VA 12 years ago with the military. I decided to stay in VA due to the freedom and rights that I have in VA that I never had in CA. I miss my home state, and I pray that 2A rights are restored someday so I can move home.

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    Come on back! The Dick Act was passed over 100 years ago.
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    Hell, I LIVE here, and don't even know what I can BUY, much less what I can do with it legally anymore! Since Gov. Brown-noser got into office he's declared war on everything up to and including air rifles from what I've read! I joined this site so I can start learning the ins and outs of exercising my rights to own guns without going to jail for having a .22LR rifle in the car to go squirrel hunting!! Moved to the northern end of the state at the beginning of 2012 where there are actually some people who still hunt without being chased down the street by angry mobs of tree huggers and am looking into buying some guns for it, but the more I find out the more inclined I am to buy an AR-15 .223/ 5.56, a Glock 19, and pack a proper SHTF bag for when the people of this nation reach the point that they realize votes are no longer even counted unless you are a liberal, or an illegal alien!!

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