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Fulton Co. SWAT 0100 warrant service on 14 & 15 y.o. desperados. AJC.com
ManInBlack
Regular Member
SWAT teams are used in situations like these because it is more fun. Pure and simple. It could be a 99 year old great grandmother in a wheelchair, and they'd still break in the middle of the night like common thieves, toss a few flashbangs, shout, maybe fire a few rounds.
Way more exciting for our brave paladins of public order than watching, waiting, and effecting a normal arrest during daylight hours like civilized human beings.
Way more exciting for our brave paladins of public order than watching, waiting, and effecting a normal arrest during daylight hours like civilized human beings.
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Bowesmobile
Regular Member
Has it really come to the point where 14 and 15 year olds raised in this country are really that tough? Wow! I need a bigger gun and more of them!:lol:
MyWifeSaidYes
Regular Member
I understand the sentiment, but I wouldn't be joking.
If you don't think a 10-year-old could be a threat, you haven't met my daughter. Fortunately, she's one of the good guys.
Don't get any preconceived notions about where the attack is going to come from. That will simply lead to you getting blindsided. A skinny little 14-year-old girl is just as much a threat as any football playing high schooler.
If you don't think a 10-year-old could be a threat, you haven't met my daughter. Fortunately, she's one of the good guys.
Don't get any preconceived notions about where the attack is going to come from. That will simply lead to you getting blindsided. A skinny little 14-year-old girl is just as much a threat as any football playing high schooler.
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Herr Heckler Koch
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So the paramilitarized police SWAT warrant service in this case was righteous in your opinion and for all other adolescent suspects?
MyWifeSaidYes
Regular Member
??
These were not adolescent suspects, they were FELONY suspects.
How do you propose they should have served multiple felony warrants at a single location?
"Knock, knock! Could you please come out? We have cookies!"
I did not see in the story what they were charged with. They were felony warrants. They were teenagers who could have adult accomplices. They could have been armed. I don't know and won't assume.
I don't agree with the idea of a 'para-military' police force, but I also don't want them to come to harm. Give them a better option, if you have one.
These were not adolescent suspects, they were FELONY suspects.
How do you propose they should have served multiple felony warrants at a single location?
"Knock, knock! Could you please come out? We have cookies!"
I did not see in the story what they were charged with. They were felony warrants. They were teenagers who could have adult accomplices. They could have been armed. I don't know and won't assume.
I don't agree with the idea of a 'para-military' police force, but I also don't want them to come to harm. Give them a better option, if you have one.
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Don't forget 'kill the family dog'.... :uhoh:
MyWifeSaidYes
Regular Member
ManInBlack
Regular Member
And a felony warrant could be for non-violent possession of an arbitrary amount of an arbitrarily non-approved substance.
A military operation should not be the default for warrant service in a free country.
Somehow, peace officers in generations past effected lawful arrests of truly dangerous killers and other outlaws, without benefit of all the fun toys purchased with DoD and Homeland Security grants.
DocWalker
Regular Member
We have come a long way from Andy Griffin....
I can just picture Barny Fife in full SWAT gear.....lol
I can just picture Barny Fife in full SWAT gear.....lol
MyWifeSaidYes
Regular Member
ManInBlack said:
Yes, it could. Which one was it this time? If you know, please post it.
ManInBlack said:
Is it the default method for this agency? I haven't called them about it. Military operation? Really?
ManInBlack said:
You may want to check on the statistics of past generations of peace officers dying in the line of duty.
I am not a LEO, but if I try to put myself in their position, I think they are under-dressed when breaching a door and putting themselves into an unknown situation.
ManInBlack
Regular Member
You do realize that American LEOs are not now, and have never been, even in the top-10 when it comes to occupational mortality, don't you?
If you don't realize this no-knock stuff is getting out of control, you are simply uninformed.
Suspects in crimes have not been proven guilty of anything. What if they are innocent, or what if the police made a mistake and raided the wrong house, which has also happened. Citizens have been shot and killed because, having no reason to expect a violent intrusion by government, they treat it as a violent intrusion by criminals. How would you react, if your door was kicked in in the middle of the night, you had no idea why, and men wearing black masks were pointing guns at you?
If anything, this increases danger to the police. But most exciting things are dangerous...
OC for ME
Regular Member
Or, the felony warrant(s) could have been issued based on a pack of lies.
MyWifeSaidYes
Regular Member
I apologize profusely! I did not see in the story that this was a no-knock warrant served on the wrong house! It's horrible that they shot the civilians (and their little dog, too!)
Yes, no-knock warrants are being issued a bit too often. My earlier point is still valid: We don't know all the facts and we should not assume anything.
Of course if they were more accurate about situations before breaching unknown doors in the first place.... then maybe how they were dressed wouldn't be an issue?
http://www.businessinsider.com/9-horrifying-botched-police-raids-2012-2
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/
ManInBlack
Regular Member
P.S.: The proper American attitude is to give the citizen the benefit of the doubt, not government. Your statism, sir, is disturbing.
Yaki
Regular Member
+1 rotflmao
Serving FELONY warrants on TWO people in one house! Using SWAT sounds much better than sending in two deputies to knock on the door. I believe in officer safety, and no one here knows what the actual charges were. If you think about it, it is much safer for the occupants in the house too.
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ManInBlack
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Was it safer for this guy?
Again, I ask you, what would you do if your door was kicked in the middle of the night, men dressed in black with masks on their faces point guns at you, and you have no idea why they're there or what is going on?
Occasionally mistakes are made ( ie. SWAT raids the wrong house) mistakes are also made by police officers, then the question is why weren't special tactics used. Any death is unacceptable. Additionally, if you are a wanted felon, you will be expecting and preparing for your door busted down at 3 am...They will be screaming POLICE! SEARCH WARRANT !
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