Challenge to the "lesser of two evils" crowd

Animus · Jun 8, 2012

You asked for his exact policies that make me believe he is a capitalist, and I declined to list everything he's ever done. A shorter list would be the justifications for someone to think he is a socialist, and seeing as that's not a point I'm trying to make, I'll let the other side supply that information.

PistolPackingMomma · Jun 8, 2012

Animus said:
You asked for his exact policies that make me believe he is a capitalist,

Incorrect. I asked you what led you to believe he is not a socialist. I never mentioned capitalism, marxism, communism or any other "ism". You brought that up in an attempt to incorrectly attribute something I did not say to the conversation.

Animus · Jun 8, 2012

Yeah...except I'm saying he isn't a socialist and is a capitalist, so...

PistolPackingMomma · Jun 8, 2012

Okay, so share with us one specific, capitalist policy of Obama's.

It shouldn't be that hard.

Dreamer · Jun 8, 2012

Animus said:
Yeah...except I'm saying he isn't a socialist and is a capitalist, so...

He frequently sells out US Policy decisions to the highest bidder. I can't think of anything more capitalist than a CEO being able to buy laws in their favor, purchase regulations custom-made to ensure their profits and protection, and for a few contributions, to be able to even influence foreign policy in their favor...

Actually, he's not a capitalist. He's a Fascist--the merging of corporate power and government into one seamless "public/private" oligarchy are what his entire career has been about. That is, after all, the "Chicago Way"...

Animus · Jun 8, 2012

I didn't want to risk sounding like all these conspiracy theorists by calling him a fascist, but the shoe fits. If he leaned even slightly towards socialism he'd be trying to make the state commandeer the means of production rather than bailing out banks and corporations. He'd be holding them accountable for causing the recession and then would work on fixing the income inequality, but instead he'll talk about it for a moment to pacify his almost-disillusioned supporters then do nothing further once the initial pressure is off.

Real socialist politicians live in Scandinavia. Their citizens are waaaaaaay better off than us. They aren't slowly trying to enslave them unlike our well-compensated, corrupt overlords.

sudden valley gunner · Jun 10, 2012

Animus said:
I didn't want to risk sounding like all these conspiracy theorists by calling him a fascist, but the shoe fits. If he leaned even slightly towards socialism he'd be trying to make the state commandeer the means of production rather than bailing out banks and corporations. He'd be holding them accountable for causing the recession and then would work on fixing the income inequality, but instead he'll talk about it for a moment to pacify his almost-disillusioned supporters then do nothing further once the initial pressure is off.

Real socialist politicians live in Scandinavia. Their citizens are waaaaaaay better off than us. They aren't slowly trying to enslave them unlike our well-compensated, corrupt overlords.

Fascism, communism, nazism, are all forms of socialism. If you end up with the same result. Theft is theft, it matters not if you robbed, someone , mugged them burglarized them, the end result was taking something that wasn't yours.

PistolPackingMomma · Jun 10, 2012

sudden valley gunner said:
Fascism, communism, nazism, are all forms of socialism. If you end up with the same result. Theft is theft, it matters not if you robbed, someone , mugged them burglarized them, the end result was taking something that wasn't yours.

+1

Animus said:
Real socialist politicians live in Scandinavia. Their citizens are waaaaaaay better off than us. They aren't slowly trying to enslave them unlike our well-compensated, corrupt overlords.

What? :uhoh:

Animus · Jun 10, 2012

sudden valley gunner said:
Fascism, communism, nazism, are all forms of socialism. If you end up with the same result. Theft is theft, it matters not if you robbed, someone , mugged them burglarized them, the end result was taking something that wasn't yours.

...fascism and Nazism are actually right wing ideologies.

Animus · Jun 10, 2012

PistolPackingMomma said:
+1

What? :uhoh:

Well there must be some reason that those countries have been ranked the highest in standard of living, happiness and life expectancy in the world for the past few years. I'm assuming it has something to do with their mixed economy, free healthcare and education and mostly secular population.

PrayingForWar · Jun 10, 2012

Animus said:
...fascism and Nazism are actually right wing ideologies.

PistolPackingMomma · Jun 10, 2012

Animus said:
Well there must be some reason that those countries have been ranked the highest in standard of living, happiness and life expectancy in the world for the past few years. I'm assuming it has something to do with their mixed economy, free healthcare and education and mostly secular population.

Propaganda and false reporting might also have something to do with it. Or do you believe oppression really makes people happy and the government and media never lie to make themselves look good?

09jisaac · Jun 10, 2012

Animus said:
...fascism and Nazism are actually right wing ideologies.

Serious time now. You do realize that the political "spectrum" isn't a line where everything fits in nice and neat, don't you?

PistolPackingMomma said:
Propaganda and false reporting might also have something to do with it. Or do you believe oppression really makes people happy and the government and media never lie to make themselves look good?

Not true. I read an article that disproves this. I think Animus read it too.

Side note, when we lost Kim Jong Il, we lost an AMAZING golfer.

Animus · Jun 10, 2012

Okay...so the people themselves are also in on the charade, right? I mean that's all it would take to ruin the illusion, actual citizens saying everything is a lie. So why aren't they saying that? Why don't they feel oppressed? In fact, how is that even a rational evaluation of those countries? China, North Korea, sure, their people are oppressed. But Norway? Finland? Denmark? Sweden? Really?!?

Animus · Jun 10, 2012

09jisaac said:
Serious time now. You do realize that the political "spectrum" isn't a line where everything fits in nice and neat, don't you?

...duh. I personally prefer the political compass. Fascism (National Socialism is actually a specific form of fascism, so there's really no reason to be redundant) is usually described as authoritarian right. It's actually silly to consider fascism a form of socialism considering it mocks socialism, or at least communism and social democracy.

MuchoUno · Jun 11, 2012

Animus said:
Well there must be some reason that those countries have been ranked the highest in standard of living, happiness and life expectancy in the world for the past few years. I'm assuming it has something to do with their mixed economy, free healthcare and education and mostly secular population.

Yep. Free healthcare if you don't count the 60% productivity tax. I don't feel any warm fuzzy over the thought of that.

sudden valley gunner · Jun 11, 2012

Animus said:
...fascism and Nazism are actually right wing ideologies.

Too funny!

Socialism and communism was used synonymously until the Bolshevik revolution so how again is socialism right wing ideology? They achieve the same goal they only vary in modern definition about how to get to that goal.

P.S. I don't buy into the false idea of a psuedo left and right, these terms were developed to simply identify which side of the isle the parties sat in French Parliament. It is not a scale of liberty. Choochoo....

Animus · Jun 11, 2012

When did I say socialism was right wing? Fascism is against socialism therefore isn't socialism, and your post is utter nonsense.

PistolPackingMomma · Jun 11, 2012

Animus said:
When did I say socialism was right wing? Fascism is against socialism therefore isn't socialism, and your post is utter nonsense.

Oh RLY?

Animus said:
(snip)Fascism (National Socialism is actually a specific form of fascism, so there's really no reason to be redundant) is usually described as authoritarian right.

Animus said:
...fascism and Nazism are actually right wing ideologies.

Better luck next time.

Animus · Jun 11, 2012

Despite the fact it's called National Socialism, it isn't socialism. That's a misnomer.

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