18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(20) provides, in part, "[w]hat constitutes a conviction of such a crime shall be determined in accordance with the law of the jurisdiction in which the proceedings were held." If the disposition of a case did not result in a "conviction," e.g., an adjudication of delinquency as a juvenile, there is no "conviction" to trigger a federal firearms disability.
I understand that they may have their own opinion, but what they have that we don't, is a huge platform. They can influence a lot of people with their words. Yes, people need to think for themselves, but not all of them do. A lot of people influenced to hate guns, VOTE.................. Also, I don't understand how letting the antis have their way would benefit us at all.
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It wouldn't benefit us, no, but it wouldn't actually prevent us from owning or carrying guns. The laws have never stopped the criminals from doing it. Banning guns outright would just remove the...conventional methods of obtaining firearms.
Unfortunately, there are people (primarily the weak-minded and insecure) who are 'into' celebrity worship, and actually believe their favorite celebs are endowed with omniscient powers. These Internet forums and blogs are our version of that same Bully Pulpit. The primary difference is that we have a high degree of anonymity, and damned few worshipers!.a prominent public position (as a political office) that provides an opportunity for expounding one's views; also : such an opportunity (Example: She uses her position as a famous actress as a bully pulpit.)
Animus' explanation of his "half- inclination"seemed sufficient, but also quite fragile. It has the characteristics of the infamous "double-edged sword". Pax...to let the anti's have their way
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In 1775, the number of young men willing to die to fight against the tyrants was huge in relation to the population of the colonies as a whole. Today, any militia that goes toeto toe against the US military would be considered domestic terrorists. How many men do you honestly think would be willing to take on the US military in today's society? No, what you have today are a bunch of slacker pansies who think camping out on Wall Street is the way to get things accomplished.
I could go on, but really don't have the desire to explain the obvious ways things are different now than in the colonial days.
That is, of course, assuming that the military would agree to fight against the people rather than with. No vets I've talked to yet think that's how it would go down.
Last edited by Animus; 05-19-2012 at 06:12 PM.
In a martial law scenario, the militarized police forces, TSA, FBI, Homeland Security, etc would be the people we'd have to worry about. Just look at what they're willing to do to the Occupiers. Whether or not you agree with their political ideas is irrelevant, what matters is that the countless videos documenting the encounters clearly show peaceful protests crushed by highly-aggressive riot police. Those will be the enforcers of the gun ban and martial law, not the military.
Who suggested that?You and your militia start shooting FBI, HS, Police, etc[...]
For the record, I'm not trying to start trouble or advising anyone to do anything illegal, just throwing out possible responses to a hypothetical event.
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watch your top knot !
If the government dropped the banhammer on firearms, how could you own much less carry one legally after that point? To be clear, I'm not talking about picking a $50 piece out of a guy's trunk in a parking lot at 2 am when we still have the 2A and legal means of obtaining weapons. I'm just reminding everyone of a possible solution should the amendment be repealed, and not so we can band together and go storm the White House (though I did mention a coup d'etat). We'd still need a way to protect ourselves, feed our families, etc.
You might as well add Ted Nugent. At some rally he called people who OC a bunch of idiots. My rant on his facebook page:
"I used to respect TN, but when he said people who open carry are stupid, that went out the window. I thought he supported the 2nd A, not how or what you carry. So: F*** him! (and anybody who is pissed at me for saying this) I don't bash people who CC, I just say carry the way you want as long as it's legal. Rant complete."
"The beauty of the Second Amenment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson
"Evil often triumphs, but never conquers." Joseph Roux
The main advantage would be to show them once and for all that the laws are for punishment of crime and not deterrence. When armed robberies and school shootings don't magically disappear, they'll realize the good guys need to be armed too.
We don't even have to let them win. They could easily out lobby us. What is our backup plan if we lose?
Last edited by Animus; 05-19-2012 at 06:11 PM.
If all such crimes did cease to exist, by some miracle, a lot of those folks would no longer have an "issue" to be an activist about, and would stand to lose a lot of $$ and support.
Need any further evidence of this? Look at the last 40+ yr.s of NY's crime situations. Where Joe Citizen is forbidden-under law- to own and carry sidearms (unless they are super-rich, or a celeb, or a cop), and when caught doing so, are often given the maximum sentences under NY laws just for possesing, much less carrying one-if even they commited no violent crime in doing so.
Meanwhile ,Tyrone Shoelaces goes out and actually commits violent crimes with his guns, and almost never seems to be charged on the gun charges themselves...hmmmmm..
Nice conspiracy theory. If that is really how the antis think, they must be doing it subconsciously because I've never heard such things from any of the ones I know. That goes for 90% of the supposed "Liberal Agenda" as well. As a left-leaning person myself, I sure as hell haven't been made aware of anything of the sort.
Last edited by Animus; 05-19-2012 at 06:08 PM.
Britain, Australia, California, New York, Chicago, DC, Norway. I could go on, but it's obvious you're just a troll. o7
How am I trolling? Please, enlighten me.
*hands you a lightbulb*
May require some assembly.
I for one am in awe, really? Most of these actors had gun roles in movies. IE: Rambo, Terminator, The Other Guys, Dogma,.... The list goes on.