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First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the US

Aknazer

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Why in the world do you think that a Constitutional scholar, who has shown nothing except respect for that document, would ever try to destroy it? Of all people you could accuse of "being on the tipping point toward treason", our president is not one. We all could find something we do not like about any particular President's handling of one or more issues, but President Obama has done nothing to restrict ownership of firearms.

He is a Chicagoan, and many there simply have been raised and indoctrinated that guns are bad (and when you see people being killed on the magnitude seen there you might also). But to his credit, he hasn't attempted to impose that on the rest of us.

Chicken Little seems to be alive and well, and she isn't the canary in a coal mine, but someone whose sky is falling.

He has stated that he is working on gun control "behind the scenes." He has done NOTHING about "Operation Fast and Furious." He and his administration has distorted and lied about the gun problem south of the border saying things like "90% of the guns used in crime come from the US." Or how he was not happy with the gun rider on the credit card reform bill that now allows us to carry in national parks. All of that is simply his actions towards guns and doesn't include anything that he did prior to being president. And lets not forget about Obamacare and how he thinks its Constitutional. Or the war on Libya that he refused to get Congressional approval to go to because he somehow felt that it wasn't a war.

He might be a Constitutional "scholar" but he sure does try to ignore or work around the Constitution.
 

SouthernBoy

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I'm a currently serving National Guardsman and did 4 years active duty Marine Corps. An order to do this would be wholly unconstitutional. I have no obligation in my oath or contract to carry it out. My oath didn't say "uphold and defend the government". It states "swear to uphold and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC". If the president or anyone else issues that order, they have violated this and thus become an enemy. You know what we do to enemies.

Amen to that. And this is exactly what the military personnel to whom I posed this question said. Any president who issued such orders would be doing so illegally which means, of course, no one is required to carry them out. He would have broken the law and anyone who followed them would also be breaking the law.... several of them.
 

mohawk001

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Yes, we have heard this before. Not just with the current administration, and not just with the Ds.

While I do tend to do a View attachment 8468 on hearing the "The sky is falling" stuff, it pays to stay aware.

stay safe.

I'm not sure if either I didn't get my message across correctly or if I'm not reading yours correctly. All I was trying to do was point out to the person that they couldn't just blame the Reps for studid stuff, and who knows if it was a Rep that even started it to begin with.
 

VinnAY

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When you start reading things with an open-mind it's pretty disheartening the amount of propaganda that your own party and organization puts forth in their effort to control your thoughts and beliefs. As was said, the truth lies somewhere in the middle and doing your due diligence on the subject before spouting off about it hurts us all.
 

Gil223

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If this thread is in reference to the UN Small Arms Trade Treaty, we are already behind the power curve on that - Hillary and Ob have both given it their blessings. I haven't been able to track down the treaty itself, but I'm certain it has lots of governmental "wiggle room" built into it. The mainstream thought/fear seems to be that it would eliminate semi-automatic firearms of all types from ownership and use by private citizens, subjects and slaves. This is from the UNODA (United Nations Office of Disarmament Affairs) website:
At the end of 2009 the General Assembly decided to convene a Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty in 2012 "to elaborate a legally binding instrument on the highest possible common international standards for the transfer of conventional arms". The General Assembly also indicated that the remaining four sessions of the Open-ended Working Group should be considered as sessions of the Preparatory Committee (PrepCom) for this Conference. The first PrepCom took place in July 2010.
As has been pointed out in previous posts, the Executive Branch can sign treaties until their fingers go numb, but it must be ratified by the Congress in order to take effect in this country.

Given the UN's history, and obvious goal of world control, and, although it sounds like an ideal worth supporting, the United Nations "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" becomes seriously disconcerting as you approach the end of it. Copied from the UN's DHR website:
Article 29.

(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Doesn't the sub-paragraph that I have pointed out in red make you a bit uneasy? Essentially it is saying that you can do almost anything - so long as it is not at odds with what the U.N. says you may do! It seems that the U.N. gives with one hand... while simultaneously taking away with the other.

The implied possibilities are far reaching simply because they are so vague, and those "rights and freedoms" have not been specified. The one possibility that seems most obvious to me is that one would be in "violation" of this edict if one spoke out against the plans and desires of the U.N. The entire document sounds (unsurpisingly) socialistic and totalitarian to me. (For those few of you who may be interested, the entire Universal Declaration of Human Rights is viewable at . It's an interesting document to read, even though it is reminiscent of Fritz Lang's morose, disturbing and depressing 1927 film "Metropolis".) Pax...
 

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Remember Obama knows the Constitution inside out backwards and forwards and all the in and the OUT'S of the Constitution. Enough said.
 

Beretta92FSLady

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Good grief, this topic comes up every couple of months--it's like a turd that keeps circling the bowl and refuses to go down to where it belongs: in the sewer.
 

SFCRetired

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Just a few comments:

1. Obama does not know the Constitution inside out, forward, and backward. What he really is is nothing more than a Chicago wardheeler who got, somehow or the other, elected to public office. He is totally unqualified by education or temperament to hold the office he now holds.

2. If he is re-elected, God (or Deity of your choice) forbid, he will make a determined effort to ban all firearms within the United States. In this, he has the financial backing of, among others, George Soros and Michael Bloomberg.

3. Unless, upon re-election, he has control of the Senate and the Supreme Court, his efforts will fail in the legal arena. No, repeat NO, treaty can supersede the Constitution of the United States.

4. If, and that is one huge "if", he does gain control of the Senate and the Supreme Court, gets this treaty ratified and starts a nationwide gun grab, just how long do you think it would be before there is an armed insurrection? Understand that I am not condoning nor supporting such an action, just suggesting that such an action is likely.

5. Unless the armed forces totally ignore their oaths to "protect and defend the Constitution.....", they will be the ones to lead off the insurrection possibility suggested in #4 above. I know quite a few AD and all of them have said they would resist such an illegal order.



At this stage, I do not think it likely he will be returned to office. The most likely candidate to supersede him is, IMNSHO, a RINO and will be as bad for the Second Amendment as any "progressive" candidate.
 

Hunterdave

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Just so you'll know

It's wise to be vigilant , but not wise to sound alarm bells when
there is no fire.
We all (most) know that the UN's (and liberal,socialist,communist) sop is
to devise ways to deny RKBA to American citizens. They are
afraid of liberty with teeth!!
I posted this back in 2010 when this UN treaty stuff first came up,
so here it is again.


Nothing overrides the Constitution!

In the Reid v. Covert case, it was an executive agreement (not a
treaty) between the United States and Great Britain that was in
question. However, in Part II, we find:
“MR. JUSTICE BLACK announced the judgment of the Court and
delivered an opinion, in which THE CHIEF JUSTICE, MR. JUSTICE
DOUGLAS, and MR. JUSTICE BRENNAN join.”

Significant excerpts include:
“At the time of Mrs. Covert's alleged offense, an executive agreement
was in effect between the United States and Great Britain which
permitted United States' military courts to exercise exclusive
jurisdiction over offenses committed in Great Britain by American
servicemen or their dependents.”

“It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who
created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for
the Bill of Rights -- let alone alien to our entire constitutional history
and tradition -- to construe Article VI as permitting the United States
to exercise power under an international agreement without
observing constitutional prohibitions. ... In effect, such construction
would permit amendment of that document in a manner not
sanctioned by Article V. The prohibitions of the Constitution were
designed to apply to all branches of the National Government, and
they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and the
Senate combined.”

“There is nothing new or unique about what we say here. This Court
has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the
Constitution over a treaty. ... For example, in Geofroy v. Riggs, 133
U.S. 258, 267, it declared: The treaty power, as expressed in the
Constitution, is in terms unlimited except by those restraints which
are found in that instrument against the action of the government or
of its departments, and those arising from the nature of the
government itself and of that of the States. It would not be
contended that it extends so far as to authorize what the Constitution
forbids, or a change in the character of the [p*18] government, or in
that of one of the States, or a cession of any portion of the territory
of the latter, without its consent.”

“This Court has also repeatedly taken the position that an Act of
Congress, which must comply with the Constitution, is on a full parity
with a treaty, and that, when a statute which is subsequent in time is
inconsistent with a treaty, the statute to the extent of conflict renders
the treaty null. ... It would be completely anomalous to say that a
treaty need not comply with the Constitution when such an
agreement can be overridden by a statute that must conform to that
instrument.”
 
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