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    What's up with the misinformation about OC laws in New Mexico?

    Rode my motorcycle from Utah to Texas open carrying (except in TX) - see this vid to see what misinformation was given to me by a business owner and a small town marshal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqwzWrXAj1E

    See minute markers 2:42 and 3:39.

    I intend to oc when I ride back in a few weeks.

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    In this case, it is YOU who are wrong, and not them.

    First of all, it's YOUR mistake in not researching ahead of time and therefore not being fully aware of the laws in all states you will be going to.

    Second of all, the law states that you cannot open carry anywhere alcohol is sold for on or off-site consumption. That means anywhere alcohol is sold, period, end of story. You must have a license to carry concealed in places that sell for off-site consumption like that convenience store. You actually committed a fourth degree felony according to these laws.

    It's all very clear, right here:

    http://www.dps.nm.org/lawEnforcement...B0588final.pdf

    There is no misinformation, only your poor awareness.

    You should get over your attitude. You should also never ride without actual eye protection. If you aren't, that's pretty bad. How important is a picture? Is it worth your eyesight?

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    Sorry, TL, but NM law IS confusing on this....

    Within the law on licensing of location that sell beer/wine/ or hard liquor is the part that specifies...

    For locations LICENSED to sell beer or wine for OFF SITE consumption or locations that sell beer or wine but nothing stronger for ON SITE consumption you must carry CONCEALED! It is a 4th degree felony to OC within these types of establishments. It would include most any gas station/convenience store or places like walmart/target/grocery stores.

    For a BAR or any location that sells stuff harder than beer or wine IT IS ILLEGAL TO CARRY IN ANY MANNER and they must post a sign stating this conspicuously near the entrance.

    The above are not quotes but are my understanding of NM law on this... don't worry though, I've been caught on this too but I don't have Utube video out there documenting my error!
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    And if you're stunned by this stupidity, please realize that it's a recent development that you could carry at all, even licensed concealed, at any place that sold alcohol. Before that recent change to the law, you committed a felony in NM if you walked into a grocery store that sold beer, even if you didn't know they sold beer, while carrying concealed (with a license).

    New Mexico is a great state, but they do not have the "great Southwest" attitude about liberty. They're especially hinky about alcohol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    And if you're stunned by this stupidity,
    What stupidity? The only stupidity I see in this thread is traveling without making oneself aware of the laws in other states. Oh yeah, that and thinking a wind screen will give you proper eye protection while riding a motorcycle.

    She asks the locals, is told the truth, and says the locals are wrong. Where's the stupid?

    The laws are clear and are easy to find. They are not confusing if you take a minute and educate yourself by reading them.

    I did forget to mention- that marshal WAS wrong about the banks being off-limits. In that area there is no such restriction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AH.74 View Post
    What stupidity?
    The stupidity of the law itself.

    I don't disagree with you about the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    The stupidity of the law itself.

    I don't disagree with you about the rest.
    While I would like to have complete "restaurant carry", the law is what it is. At least we can carry with a license into some establishments. Some other states still don't even allow that.

    What gets me is when people come in here and complain about the laws being confusing. They're really not, if people would just read them instead of give them a glance and say they are unclear.

    And as far as your comment about attitude and liberty, get away from the populated areas and you'll find things are a lot different.

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    I guess I should have said the NM is the "Old West", just with a Bible Belt attitude toward alcohol. That's really what I meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    I guess I should have said the NM is the "Old West", just with a Bible Belt attitude toward alcohol. That's really what I meant.
    LOL

    I see where you're coming from, but they do sell hard alcohol in gas stations. Outside of Louisiana, California, and a few other states, that's considered downright wild!!!



    ETA: I moved here to Idaho from Louisiana. Here in ID we can only buy liquor from a state-owned store, with crappy hours, pricing, and selection. WA finally voted out state control, but liquor will only be sold in stores bigger than 10,000 sq. ft.

    It's amazing how some places truly retain a puritanical attitude toward alcohol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManInBlack View Post
    <snip> ETA: I move here to Idaho from Louisiana. Here in ID we can only buy liquor from a state-owned store, with crappy hours, pricing, and selection. <snip>
    That is not due to a puritanical attitude it is about money. The government wants all the money regarding the booze supply chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    That is not due to a puritanical attitude it is about money. The government wants all the money regarding the booze supply chain.
    Agreed; that is the true objective. However, to sell it to the public, they use glossy brochures (paid for by taxpayers) to propagandize their gospel: "Alcohol control states do not suffer the same negative effects from the sale of alcohol as other states. We have less underage drinking, DUI fatalities, etc., etc."

    I'm sure it's a load of hooey; unfortunately, there are plenty of simple minds who buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManInBlack View Post
    Agreed; that is the true objective. However, to sell it to the public, they use glossy brochures (paid for by taxpayers) to propagandize their gospel: "Alcohol control states do not suffer the same negative effects from the sale of alcohol as other states. We have less underage drinking, DUI fatalities, etc., etc."

    I'm sure it's a load of hooey; unfortunately, there are plenty of simple minds who buy it.
    Ditto
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    I sure don't see a lot of cite sourcing, mostly bashing of someone that rubbed you the wrong way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    I sure don't see a lot of cite sourcing, mostly bashing of someone that rubbed you the wrong way.
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    [QUOTE=AH.74;1758124]While I would like to have complete "restaurant carry", the law is what it is. At least we can carry with a license into some establishments. Some other states still don't even allow that.

    What gets me is when people come in here and complain about the laws being confusing. They're really not, if people would just read them instead of give them a glance and say they are unclear.

    And as far as your comment about attitude and liberty, get away from the populated areas and you'll find things are a lot different.[/]

    It's clear that New Mexicans shouldn't bother open carrying. Enjoy getting your permission slips - and getting your weapons confiscated when marshal law is declared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Sorry, TL, but NM law IS confusing on this....

    Within the law on licensing of location that sell beer/wine/ or hard liquor is the part that specifies...

    For locations LICENSED to sell beer or wine for OFF SITE consumption or locations that sell beer or wine but nothing stronger for ON SITE consumption you must carry CONCEALED! It is a 4th degree felony to OC within these types of establishments. It would include most any gas station/convenience store or places like walmart/target/grocery stores.

    For a BAR or any location that sells stuff harder than beer or wine IT IS ILLEGAL TO CARRY IN ANY MANNER and they must post a sign stating this conspicuously near the entrance.

    The above are not quotes but are my understanding of NM law on this... don't worry though, I've been caught on this too but I don't have Utube video out there documenting my error!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AH.74 View Post
    While I would like to have complete "restaurant carry", the law is what it is. At least we can carry with a license into some establishments. Some other states still don't even allow that.

    What gets me is when people come in here and complain about the laws being confusing. They're really not, if people would just read them instead of give them a glance and say they are unclear.

    And as far as your comment about attitude and liberty, get away from the populated areas and you'll find things are a lot different.
    @Ah, while you appear to be grateful to carry at all in NM, I find any restriction to the 2a an abomination. I guess I should be "happy" I don't live in IL where the 2A "right" is DENIED.

    The sooner you and your law-enabling mammas boys realize that the 2a is NOT A RIGHT, IT'S A PRIVILEGE, the sooner you'll realize that nothing short of in-your-face exposure of stupid laws is needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerlily View Post
    getting your weapons confiscated when marshal law is declared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    I guess I should be "happy" I don't live in IL where the 2A "right" is DENIED.
    I actually agree with you on this one. I've said before that just because it's worse somewhere else doesn't mean we should accept the way it is here.





    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    The sooner you and your law-enabling mammas boys realize that the 2a is NOT A RIGHT, IT'S A PRIVILEGE, the sooner you'll realize that nothing short of in-your-face exposure of stupid laws is needed.
    I'm sure you're familiar with these passages...just in case though, I will cite them. The following is from our Declaration of Independence, popularly dated July 4, 1776.
    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
    And then from http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html we have the second amendment. One of ten that were ratified December 15, 1791.
    Amendment II

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
    In conclusion, the "2a" is an unalienable right; a right with which we are endowed by our Creator and recognized by our U.S. Constitution. In those few black-and-white passages I do not see any inclusion of the word, "privilege". Since it is a right, not a privilege, I see no need for your looking-for-trouble-to-prove-a-point-and-make-the-news-by-harrasing-police-officers tactics. With that in mind I still say, "to each his/her own" and ask that nobody be upset with my choice to not walk the exact same path as they.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    @Ah, while you appear to be grateful to carry at all in NM, I find any restriction to the 2a an abomination. I guess I should be "happy" I don't live in IL where the 2A "right" is DENIED.

    The sooner you and your law-enabling mammas boys realize that the 2a is NOT A RIGHT, IT'S A PRIVILEGE, the sooner you'll realize that nothing short of in-your-face exposure of stupid laws is needed.
    Nice try, lady. I follow the law, that's all.

    At least I'm smart enough to check and know the laws of the states I'm travelling to. And at least I know enough not to accuse people of being wrong, when they're not.

    Next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    And if you're stunned by this stupidity, please realize that it's a recent development that you could carry at all, even licensed concealed, at any place that sold alcohol. Before that recent change to the law, you committed a felony in NM if you walked into a grocery store that sold beer, even if you didn't know they sold beer, while carrying concealed (with a license).

    New Mexico is a great state, but they do not have the "great Southwest" attitude about liberty. They're especially hinky about alcohol.
    Those statements are factually inaccurate. NM alcohol establishments have always been required to post signs in large red letters stating carrying a firearm into there place of business was a fourth degree felony. As to our laws being stupid - maybe you'd like to come to our legislature with me and show me how it's done to fix them to suit you..

    The alcohol law changed in 2007 - you call that a recent change? Five years makes it an established law. Those of you from our of state always seem to have problems understanding our laws. It's not because they're much problem - it's because you understand your state laws fine and they're just not the same.

    As to the OP stating they are mislead regarding our laws by store owners and LEOs, I suggest you actually try to READ our laws so you understand they are NOT misleading you. Bottom line - you committedd a felony in NM. You got away with it. I would work hard at not telling every one on the planet about it on an open forum.

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    A lot of people don’t “get” TigerLily. They don’t perceive or appreciate where it is she is “coming from.” All they see is some “nut job” who isn’t “rational” or “practical”.... or "law abiding" for that matter. That’s because they are looking through “lenses” of rationality and practicality that have been “prescribed” to them by the “doctors” of deceit and fabrication… our government, its officials (elected and/or appointed) and the main stream media. These “doctors” would have everyone believe that government and all its trappings (laws and such) is the answer to societal problems, when in fact, government is the main contributor, and more often than not the instigator, of the vast majority of the problems. The government’s answer to everything is more restrictions on individual liberties and more “programs” to address societal shortcomings. No amount of “fixing” the government through voting or reform is going to change that ever encroaching practice. It’s well established and beyond “fixing,” no matter the political party in power or individual “do good” politician. It is “government,” all be it a “government of the people, by the people, and for the people.” Being a collective part “of the people,” INDIVIDUAL freedom is and has become of less importance (and increasingly of far less importance) to “the people,” and certainly to the government, than was ever intended. That’s where TigerLily is coming from… just in case anyone out there was “misunderstanding” her. Her purpose and intent, although perceived by many as irrational and impractical, is to put all this “in the face” of those who she believes are “sleep walking.” Wake enough “sheeple,” she believes, and there will be a ground swell of realization that government is the problem, offering little, if any, real solutions, while depriving all, ever so democratically, of individual freedoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcmustang View Post
    A lot of people don’t “get” TigerLily. They don’t perceive or appreciate where it is she is “coming from.” All they see is some “nut job” who isn’t “rational” or “practical”.... or "law abiding" for that matter. That’s because they are looking through “lenses” of rationality and practicality that have been “prescribed” to them by the “doctors” of deceit and fabrication… our government, its officials (elected and/or appointed) and the main stream media. These “doctors” would have everyone believe that government and all its trappings (laws and such) is the answer to societal problems, when in fact, government is the main contributor, and more often than not the instigator, of the vast majority of the problems. The government’s answer to everything is more restrictions on individual liberties and more “programs” to address societal shortcomings. No amount of “fixing” the government through voting or reform is going to change that ever encroaching practice. It’s well established and beyond “fixing,” no matter the political party in power or individual “do good” politician. It is “government,” all be it a “government of the people, by the people, and for the people.” Being a collective part “of the people,” INDIVIDUAL freedom is and has become of less importance (and increasingly of far less importance) to “the people,” and certainly to the government, than was ever intended. That’s where TigerLily is coming from… just in case anyone out there was “misunderstanding” her. Her purpose and intent, although perceived by many as irrational and impractical, is to put all this “in the face” of those who she believes are “sleep walking.” Wake enough “sheeple,” she believes, and there will be a ground swell of realization that government is the problem, offering little, if any, real solutions, while depriving all, ever so democratically, of individual freedoms.
    What a load of crap.

    I don't give a rat's behind where she's "coming from." She came in here and spouted off about misinformation when SHE was the one misinformed. She also accused people of being wrong, when they were not.

    That has nothing to do with politics or being "in the face". And none of us are sleep-walking. I might say she is the one who is doing that, going riding around without checking the local laws first.

    If she had bothered to do her homework before jumping on her bike and heading out, this thread would not have been necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AH.74 View Post
    And none of us are sleep-walking. I might say she is the one who is doing that, going riding around without checking the local laws first.
    Uh... yes, you are. You still have allegiance to "local laws." You obviously "believe in" those "local laws" and have a penchant for obeying them... you are a "slave" to them is what TigerLily would say perhaps. You "love" what government does and how it restricts your personal choices of when, where, and how to "behave" yourself. You and others like you are the "sleepiest" of the "sleep walkers," destined for eternal "sleep" perhaps.

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