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    UNCLE TED a DRAFT DODGER

    Could this be so ? You decide http://www.military.com/video/operat...1581347852001/ , I am Shocked at the names mentioned here .

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    I'm not a fan of Ted Nugent, but:


    The draft is a form of slavery. Especially because the modern military has nothing to do with defending the country or Constitution, I won't begrudge anyone for attempting to evade involuntary servitude.
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    All the talk about Overthrowing Big Government, Revolution, etc., it's just another one of those nostalgic ideas that individuals have idealized.
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    It seems a little far fteched, but then again, Ted is a little off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManInBlack View Post
    I'm not a fan of Ted Nugent, but:


    The draft is a form of slavery. Especially because the modern military has nothing to do with defending the country or Constitution, I won't begrudge anyone for attempting to evade involuntary servitude.
    ^^^^this^^^^
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    The draft was a shameful symptom of the general population's indifference. We had to force men to do their duty? I'd die of shame.

    Who would wait to get drafted when offered the opportunity to serve was so generously offered?
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

    'There is nothing more demoralizing than the fake non-violence of the weak and impotent.' MK Gandhi II-153 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Bear View Post
    The draft was a shameful symptom of the general population's indifference. We had to force men to do their duty? I'd die of shame.

    Who would wait to get drafted when offered the opportunity to serve was so generously offered?
    Yes, what ungrateful malcontent would turn down the generously-offered opportunity to go die in some god-forsaken country, in an unconstitutional, undeclared war, for the sake and in the service of the military-industrial complex and certain foreign governments?



    If you believe that young men should happily and gladly march off to wherever their leaders fancy, I would remind you that National Socialism, and the fuhrerprinzip, have been thoroughly discredited...

    ETA: Your signature reveals that you thoroughly misunderstand Gandhi's philosophy; not that he was a man worthy of admiration, anyway...
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    All the talk about Overthrowing Big Government, Revolution, etc., it's just another one of those nostalgic ideas that individuals have idealized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManInBlack View Post
    I'm not a fan of Ted Nugent, but:


    The draft is a form of slavery. Especially because the modern military has nothing to do with defending the country or Constitution, I won't begrudge anyone for attempting to evade involuntary servitude.
    Agreed. I don't have a problem with someone desiring to not die in slavery to government. What I do have a problem with are people who dodge the draft and then seek to or are open to imposing a draft when they are in office. Those people are the true scumbags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubel View Post
    Agreed. I don't have a problem with someone desiring to not die in slavery to government. What I do have a problem with are people who dodge the draft and then seek to or are open to imposing a draft when they are in office. Those people are the true scumbags.
    I'm with you. Nugent's present-day chickenhawk stance is not only immoral, but highly hypocritical. As far as politicians, it is beyond me why the mere mention of reimposing the draft is not political suicide, given the events of the last fifty years (but especially the last ten). Then again, most things the average American voter does baffle me...
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    All the talk about Overthrowing Big Government, Revolution, etc., it's just another one of those nostalgic ideas that individuals have idealized.
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    I like the IDF, Israeli Defense Force, you go in, no matter who you are. I would love to see that here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I like the IDF, Israeli Defense Force, you go in, no matter who you are. I would love to see that here.
    Yes...universal forced labor for the government (on top of universal forced labor in the form of income taxation). That just screams "freedom" to me.

    You, sir, are one very confused individual.
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    All the talk about Overthrowing Big Government, Revolution, etc., it's just another one of those nostalgic ideas that individuals have idealized.
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    or are those who dont fight for freedom, freeloaders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    or are those who dont fight for freedom, freeloaders?
    Are you kidding? When was the last time the U.S. military fought to preserve American freedoms and liberties? When was the last time it was involved in a constitutional war?

    Hell, you can't even carry a firearm, an activity protected by the federal constitution, into a federal government building, here in the United States. Why in the hell should I believe my government is somehow engaged in fighting for freedom abroad?

    You've said previously that you don't follow the news. I suggest you start, so you can know what your government is really doing without having to take its word for it.
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    All the talk about Overthrowing Big Government, Revolution, etc., it's just another one of those nostalgic ideas that individuals have idealized.
    O RLY?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_rebellions
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    Why would we follow the news when they do not support us open carrying and are bias too.

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    Like many bombastic BSers, Ted has told so many stories he can't keep them all straight. Which story he tells depends on who he's trying to impress at the time.

    I don't think he took any active steps to avoid the draft. He stayed in the country, and was subject to being drafted the entire time. Doing drugs, being filthy, and crapping your pants would not keep you out of service if your number came up.

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    Right, the news is merely a set of opinions from the same direction, usually left. No different really, than the little tabloid papers at the checkout in the grocery store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Right, the news is merely a set of opinions from the same direction, usually left. No different really, than the little tabloid papers at the checkout in the grocery store.
    OK, so what secret information have you been privy to that suggests that the US military is doing anything to defend the country and the Constitution? It must be pretty amazing intel, if it can justify slavery to the State.
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    All the talk about Overthrowing Big Government, Revolution, etc., it's just another one of those nostalgic ideas that individuals have idealized.
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    I dont consider it slavery. Maybe if people were taught some pride, and to respect the flag as they do in the service, the country would be worth more, and more would get involved. Shoot, just making people dress neatly, pick up after themselves, and know that there is a reason for having a place for everything and some order to life, would do the country some good.

    Some countries have more freedom than ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManInBlack View Post
    Yes, what ungrateful malcontent would turn down the generously-offered opportunity to go die in some god-forsaken country, in an unconstitutional, undeclared war, for the sake and in the service of the military-industrial complex and certain foreign governments?



    If you believe that young men should happily and gladly march off to wherever their leaders fancy, I would remind you that National Socialism, and the fuhrerprinzip, have been thoroughly discredited...

    ETA: Your signature reveals that you thoroughly misunderstand Gandhi's philosophy; not that he was a man worthy of admiration, anyway...
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    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

    'There is nothing more demoralizing than the fake non-violence of the weak and impotent.' MK Gandhi II-153 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)

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    lol.

    One of my biggest regrets, is that I didnt go in. Turns out, Its a year too late now, Im 36, the limit is 35. I doubt my physical limitations would allow me success in basic anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I dont consider it slavery. Maybe if people were taught some pride, and to respect the flag as they do in the service, the country would be worth more, and more would get involved. Shoot, just making people dress neatly, pick up after themselves, and know that there is a reason for having a place for everything and some order to life, would do the country some good.

    Some countries have more freedom than ours.
    You don't work. You collect government money that was confiscated from others, spend your days playing with little children (and, by your own admission, getting yourself in trouble with the law for harming them), and have the audacity to demand that others be conscripted into involuntary servitude (again, beyond the involuntary servitude that goes toward providing for your existence) to the government.

    You have zero credibility. You have demonstrated that you are completely uninformed.
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    All the talk about Overthrowing Big Government, Revolution, etc., it's just another one of those nostalgic ideas that individuals have idealized.
    O RLY?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_rebellions
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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I dont consider it slavery. Maybe if people were taught some pride, and to respect the flag as they do in the service, the country would be worth more, and more would get involved. Shoot, just making people dress neatly, pick up after themselves, and know that there is a reason for having a place for everything and some order to life, would do the country some good.

    Some countries have more freedom than ours.
    I'm with you on this. Some people don't fully understand the price of freedom; for them, it comes too cheaply to be cherished. If they truly understood the cost, they'd shed more than one tear for the sacrifice many have mad, rather than spout ignorance.

    They're a good reason to bring the draft back; perhaps they'd learn something about pride, integrity, responsibility, patriotism, sacrifice. It's unlikely they'll pick that up in prison or the country club. Obviously, living in mama's basement has made them soft.
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

    'There is nothing more demoralizing than the fake non-violence of the weak and impotent.' MK Gandhi II-153 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Bear View Post
    I'm with you on this. Some people don't fully understand the price of freedom; for them, it comes too cheaply to be cherished. If they truly understood the cost, they'd shed more than one tear for the sacrifice many have mad, rather than spout ignorance.

    They're a good reason to bring the draft back; perhaps they'd learn something about pride, integrity, responsibility, patriotism, sacrifice. It's unlikely they'll pick that up in prison or the country club. Obviously, living in mama's basement has made them soft.
    Oh yeah, I'm sure that bombing Iraqis or Afghans or Libyans or whoever, without a constitutionally-required declaration of war, makes me more free. Hell, I'd be even freer if I was forced, at gunpoint, to participate!

    Do you people ever read what you write?
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    All the talk about Overthrowing Big Government, Revolution, etc., it's just another one of those nostalgic ideas that individuals have idealized.
    O RLY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManInBlack View Post
    You don't work. You collect government money that was confiscated from others, spend your days playing with little children (and, by your own admission, getting yourself in trouble with the law for harming them), and have the audacity to demand that others be conscripted into involuntary servitude (again, beyond the involuntary servitude that goes toward providing for your existence) to the government.

    You have zero credibility. You have demonstrated that you are completely uninformed.
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    Last edited by John Pierce; 05-21-2012 at 09:44 PM.
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

    'There is nothing more demoralizing than the fake non-violence of the weak and impotent.' MK Gandhi II-153 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManInBlack View Post
    You don't work. You collect government money that was confiscated from others, spend your days playing with little children (and, by your own admission, getting yourself in trouble with the law for harming them), and have the audacity to demand that others be conscripted into involuntary servitude (again, beyond the involuntary servitude that goes toward providing for your existence) to the government.

    You have zero credibility. You have demonstrated that you are completely uninformed.

    You should go to work for the media, or as a lawyer. Dont put your credibility against mine here, you'll lose that bet. I have some haters, but thats about it.

    I can work to a limited basis, and when I can, I do.
    I was watching the kids for mom, who got mad at her for the girls own stupidity which got her hurt. She intends to speak with trhe judge shortly because even she feels I got screwed over.

    And yes, people should spend some time serving the country. Helps eliminate the number of people you complain about in the same paragraph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManInBlack View Post
    Oh yeah, I'm sure that bombing Iraqis or Afghans or Libyans or whoever, without a constitutionally-required declaration of war, makes me more free. Hell, I'd be even freer if I was forced, at gunpoint, to participate!

    Do you people ever read what you write?
    I live what I write. You probably dream of living a life.
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

    'There is nothing more demoralizing than the fake non-violence of the weak and impotent.' MK Gandhi II-153 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)

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