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    Guess CommRow is comfortable advertising that they put customers at risk, even if the sign is merely a suggestion for those that conceal carry.

    As a local it will prevent me from spending my money there. It would appear that they're placating to the tourists from the People Republic of California, and their typical fear of firearms in public.

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    SAFETY is our primary concern at CommRow—athletic safety, public safety, and, of course, your personal safety. It's just too hard to have fun without feeling safe and secure, which is why we have our awesome security guards to help you.

    ALWAYS AVAILABLE to escort you to your vehicle, CommRow's Security guards are constantly patrolling the property, the parking garage, and the nearby streets. Making sure you find your way safely is their passion, whether that's to the nearest late-night snack or to the next climbing clinic. When you need someone to show you the ropes, grab a CommRow Security Guard; they're committed to your safety, they're here to help, and they're a great crew of people!

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    Will they block a bullet?
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    Are they armed?

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    And do they have an obligation to protect?

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    I'm going to go ahead and venture a NO for all of the questions in the three posts before mine. Another silly policy that hinders LACs and will do nothing to deter criminals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    I'm going to go ahead and venture a NO for all of the questions in the three posts before mine. Another silly policy that hinders LACs and will do nothing to deter criminals.
    ive only been to com row once, and i dont plan on going back, no there security guards will not take a bullet for you, and at the instant of an armed gunman they will run and abandon you, so F this place..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
    In the carry/issue states (states where they actually issue CCW permits, or states like Arizona where you have full freedom to carry without a permit), the etiquette and law of *where* to carry is still evolving.

    In shady neighborhoods, of any kind, you definitely should. For a trip to a gas station, driving to work (and leaving your gun in the car), getting groceries, those are all trips where it makes sense to go armed, if the neighborhood is shady.

    Of course there is a whole group of extremists who are advancing the extreme notion that one should always carry.

    It is like in the adventure sports industry, where extremists evolve with their own extremist views as well. Skydiving, mountain climbing, scuba cave diving, these sports are fraught with danger and hence extremists evolve all over the place.

    I would never bring a weapon into church, unless church was in a shady neighborhood.

    I would never bring a weapon into work, unless the owners permit it, and it is a shady workplace, with no security.

    I would never bring a weapon into a restaurant or bar or fitness facility, unless again that too was in a shady neighborhood.

    Obviously I am not an extremist.

    California is a may issue / but does not issue state. That means you just should not go into shady neighborhoods no matter why.

    If this place is shady, and they won't let you carry, then don't go there.

    If not, you don't need to carry.
    Need is meaningless without being accompanied by what the need fulfills. The anti's always say, "you don't need a gun" and leave off fulfillment of the need. You don't need a gun for the world to continue to rotate... true. You don't need a gun to get the soup from the bowl into your face... that is true...

    But I need a gun if I want to be able to shoot something. That is the only reason anyone ever needs a gun, and without a gun, it is impossible to shoot.

    And I want to be able to shoot wherever I go, because I do not have the magical ability to predict which places I will be attacked at. If I did, I would never go to any place that I knew that to be the case. If I felt a place was so dangerous that I thought a shootout was likely, I wouldn't go there. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean that going to shady places is suddenly a good idea.

    The notion that anyone can predict when they will be attacked is comical. The notion that someone should be expected to disarm and rearm every 20 minutes depending on the location is nuts. You are free to unholster and reholster every 20 minutes, but don't you tell me that I should have to preform such silly ritual. Why not just leave your gun on all the time rather than wasting all that time and effort, and furthermore leaving your gun unattended to so that anyone can steal it?

    That is the problem with society. Nobody wants anyone to tell them what to do, yet they are more than happy to tell everyone else how to live. The very notion of gun free zones makes the target a good opportunity for criminals. If you passed a law making churches off limits, the criminals know that everyone going to and from the church is unlikely to resist them. (And if guns are forbidden inside of a place, the cars parked near by will probably be most fruitful to the gun seeking thief.)

    If you think churches, work places, dining establishments, fitness centers, and all those other places are totally safe and free of vicious dogs and criminals, well, you are free to disarm yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
    In the carry/issue states (states where they actually issue CCW permits, or states like Arizona where you have full freedom to carry without a permit), the etiquette and law of *where* to carry is still evolving.

    In shady neighborhoods, of any kind, you definitely should. For a trip to a gas station, driving to work (and leaving your gun in the car), getting groceries, those are all trips where it makes sense to go armed, if the neighborhood is shady.

    Of course there is a whole group of extremists who are advancing the extreme notion that one should always carry.

    It is like in the adventure sports industry, where extremists evolve with their own extremist views as well. Skydiving, mountain climbing, scuba cave diving, these sports are fraught with danger and hence extremists evolve all over the place.

    I would never bring a weapon into church, unless church was in a shady neighborhood.

    I would never bring a weapon into work, unless the owners permit it, and it is a shady workplace, with no security.

    I would never bring a weapon into a restaurant or bar or fitness facility, unless again that too was in a shady neighborhood.

    Obviously I am not an extremist.

    California is a may issue / but does not issue state. That means you just should not go into shady neighborhoods no matter why.

    If this place is shady, and they won't let you carry, then don't go there.

    If not, you don't need to carry.
    I see your from kalifornia so that explains alot of your post.

    So why would you only need protection in shady places? Do you think bad things dont happen in a church in "non" shady places? Your thinking is why kali is screwed up.

    Those of us who understand the need to protect ourselves and family also understand that bad things happen everywhere. That is not extreme. Extreme is your screwed up view. There is a website for people like you bradycenter.org
    Go there dont return here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
    In the carry/issue states (states where they actually issue CCW permits, or states like Arizona where you have full freedom to carry without a permit), the etiquette and law of *where* to carry is still evolving.

    In shady neighborhoods, of any kind, you definitely should. For a trip to a gas station, driving to work (and leaving your gun in the car), getting groceries, those are all trips where it makes sense to go armed, if the neighborhood is shady.

    Of course there is a whole group of extremists who are advancing the extreme notion that one should always carry.

    It is like in the adventure sports industry, where extremists evolve with their own extremist views as well. Skydiving, mountain climbing, scuba cave diving, these sports are fraught with danger and hence extremists evolve all over the place.

    I would never bring a weapon into church, unless church was in a shady neighborhood.

    I would never bring a weapon into work, unless the owners permit it, and it is a shady workplace, with no security.

    I would never bring a weapon into a restaurant or bar or fitness facility, unless again that too was in a shady neighborhood.

    Obviously I am not an extremist.

    California is a may issue / but does not issue state. That means you just should not go into shady neighborhoods no matter why.

    If this place is shady, and they won't let you carry, then don't go there.

    If not, you don't need to carry.
    You have every right to carry or not to carry as you see fit.

    With regard to the list of places you would not carry, the question is why? What would you expect to happen if you did? Why would a church or a restaurant be held apart from a laundry mat or a smoke shop? Do you really believe that bad things don't happen in nice places? I could give you a long list of times when it has, but I imagine judging by what you have said that it would not bear fruit.

    Are we really talking about your perception of need, or our individual liberty?

    Let's not forget that the lists of extremists include the Brady Bunch as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Guy View Post
    You have every right to carry or not to carry as you see fit.

    With regard to the list of places you would not carry, the question is why? What would you expect to happen if you did? Why would a church or a restaurant be held apart from a laundry mat or a smoke shop? Do you really believe that bad things don't happen in nice places? I could give you a long list of times when it has, but I imagine judging by what you have said that it would not bear fruit.

    Are we really talking about your perception of need, or our individual liberty?

    Let's not forget that the lists of extremists include the Brady Bunch as well.

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    +100. Beyond that Shobee, how exactly do you define a shady place? What are your criteria? Would you consider VA Tech a shady place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
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    In shady neighborhoods, of any kind, you definitely should. For a trip to a gas station, driving to work (and leaving your gun in the car), getting groceries, those are all trips where it makes sense to go armed, if the neighborhood is shady.

    Of course there is a whole group of extremists who are advancing the extreme notion that one should always carry.

    ....

    I would never bring a weapon into church, unless church was in a shady neighborhood.

    I would never bring a weapon into work, unless the owners permit it, and it is a shady workplace, with no security.

    I would never bring a weapon into a restaurant or bar or fitness facility, unless again that too was in a shady neighborhood.

    Obviously I am not an extremist.

    California is a may issue / but does not issue state. That means you just should not go into shady neighborhoods no matter why.

    If this place is shady, and they won't let you carry, then don't go there.

    If not, you don't need to carry.
    Let's start with "shady neighborhoods" - if the sun is shining, it's shady. And if the sun has set it's definately shady. How can you guarantee a neighborhood to be "not shady"? Even the cops carry into "the best" neighborhoods because there just might be something shady there. If this philosophy/behavior is good enough for the cops it's good enough for me.

    You are obviously an extremist, whether you want to admit it or not. You see degrees. You see places, times, situations when one can act as if there is no threat. (OK, most of where I go is Defcon Zero at the precise moment I am there, not Defcon ELEVENTY!!!11!!. That does not mean that it can't change in the blink of an eye.) But until all things that might cause harm to me notify me at least 30 days in advance of the precise time, place and extent of the harm they will be inflicting, I'm taking precautions. Carrying is merely one of those precautions.

    "Don't go stupid places with stupid people to do stupid things" has been a mantra for a loooong time. Care to guess why? Riiiight - 'cause it's true for all values of stupid, places, people, and things.

    And since when were we carrying only because we need to carry? When I was in the .mil I needed to carry because they told me I had to. When I was employed as an armed security guard I needed to carry because otherwise I would not be armed security. Now, whether I am sitting on the throne in the little room reading my favorite novel or shoppping for groceries or going to a restaurant or bar or fitness facility or church, I carry because I can and because if it turns out I in fact need it my handgun will be doing me no good at home in the safe.

    Some day you should visit a place where you can do things just because you want to, not because the powers that be have graciously decided to permit you to. While it might be scary at first, you might get to like not having to ask for permission.

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    Wow...I don't really need to say anything because you have already been slammed on that method of thinking.

    Shady areas...please. Criminals love to do bad things in good places. One of the top reasons is because the haul is pretty much guaranteed to be better in a nice area of town.

    I live in a great area with gated communities, security patrols and alarm systems and yet just a whole back there were people being mugged in their driveways.

    It's not extreme to believe bade things can happen anytime and anywhere. It's safe and rational thinking.

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    Shoobee,

    Obviously, you're not an extremist? Hmmm.

    And obviously I must be an extremist because I believe, as did our forefathers, our right to carry comes from a higher power and is merely guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment?

    I suspect that many of the folks that were gunned down by madmen probably didn't think their lives would be in danger when they dined at Luby's Restaurant in Killeen, Texas. Same for the folks at McDonalds in San Ysidro, California. And a great number of other locations, including many schools/colleges.

    Many, if not most, of us here in Nevada believe in the 2nd Amendment (U. S. Constitution) and Article 1, Section 11 (Nevada Constitution.)

    We'll try to keep Nevada free and safe. And you can try to, well, er, uh, do whatever it is you do in California.

    Disclaimer: Absolutely no offense to our brothers in 2nd Amendment rights freedom in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
    In the carry/issue states (states where they actually issue CCW permits, or states like Arizona where you have full freedom to carry without a permit), the etiquette and law of *where* to carry is still evolving.

    In shady neighborhoods, of any kind, you definitely should. For a trip to a gas station, driving to work (and leaving your gun in the car), getting groceries, those are all trips where it makes sense to go armed, if the neighborhood is shady.

    Of course there is a whole group of extremists who are advancing the extreme notion that one should always carry.

    It is like in the adventure sports industry, where extremists evolve with their own extremist views as well. Skydiving, mountain climbing, scuba cave diving, these sports are fraught with danger and hence extremists evolve all over the place.

    I would never bring a weapon into church, unless church was in a shady neighborhood.

    I would never bring a weapon into work, unless the owners permit it, and it is a shady workplace, with no security.

    I would never bring a weapon into a restaurant or bar or fitness facility, unless again that too was in a shady neighborhood.

    Obviously I am not an extremist.

    California is a may issue / but does not issue state. That means you just should not go into shady neighborhoods no matter why.

    If this place is shady, and they won't let you carry, then don't go there.

    If not, you don't need to carry.
    during the revolutionary war (1770's) the Amish asked the contenental army to protect them "because we will not protect ourselfs" Are you Amish? I carry, usually OC everywhere...can't carry?...I just don't go there, I am willing to protect myself, and my family.

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    I think you are mistaken in your perceptions, Shoobee...also I am not sure why defense of ones life is being equated with an adventure sport...

    This may be, as others have suggested, because you are from California, so I can't really put all the blame upon you for that.

    By the way, you are more than welcome to carry in my church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
    In the carry/issue states (states where they actually issue CCW permits, or states like Arizona where you have full freedom to carry without a permit), the etiquette and law of *where* to carry is still evolving.

    In shady neighborhoods, of any kind, you definitely should. For a trip to a gas station, driving to work (and leaving your gun in the car), getting groceries, those are all trips where it makes sense to go armed, if the neighborhood is shady.

    Of course there is a whole group of extremists who are advancing the extreme notion that one should always carry.

    It is like in the adventure sports industry, where extremists evolve with their own extremist views as well. Skydiving, mountain climbing, scuba cave diving, these sports are fraught with danger and hence extremists evolve all over the place.

    I would never bring a weapon into church, unless church was in a shady neighborhood.

    I would never bring a weapon into work, unless the owners permit it, and it is a shady workplace, with no security.

    I would never bring a weapon into a restaurant or bar or fitness facility, unless again that too was in a shady neighborhood.

    Obviously I am not an extremist.

    California is a may issue / but does not issue state. That means you just should not go into shady neighborhoods no matter why.

    If this place is shady, and they won't let you carry, then don't go there.

    If not, you don't need to carry.

    Wow...there is much I'd like to say in response to your tremendously ignorant post, but I don't believe forum rules would allow it, so I'll only say, "Go to hell."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdholmes View Post
    I think you are mistaken in your perceptions, Shoobee...also I am not sure why defense of ones life is being equated with an adventure sport...

    This may be, as others have suggested, because you are from California, so I can't really put all the blame upon you for that.

    By the way, you are more than welcome to carry in my church.
    I am originally from California myself, Please don't think that all of us are that close minded and/or ignorant. I am also not saying that I am the majority either. I love my home state but the more I do and see here in Nevada the more I understand why many people do not like or are ashamed of California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
    Well if you check your history, our forefathers did not bring guns to church, to weddings, or to funerals.

    And if you were invited to someone's home for dinner you left your guns in the wagon.

    This CCW thing is still sorting itself out.

    And there are all of a sudden a lot of extremists. It happens in every adventure sport. The novices tend to fall off the wagon and become extremists.
    You must have gotten your information from the movies and old westerns.

    If YOU check your history, you would find that it was actually required by law, during the early years of this country to bring your gun to church.

    From Colonial Firearm Regulation by Clayton E. Cramer
    "Common to nearly every colony was the requirement that members of the militia (nearly all free white men) possess muskets and ammunition; the rest, such as Rhode Island and South Carolina, clearly assume it. Some of these statutes are explicit that militiamen are to keep their guns at home; others imply it, by specifying fines for failure to appear with guns at church or militia musters."
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallonJeeper View Post
    You must have gotten your information from the movies and old westerns.

    If YOU check your history, you would find that it was actually required by law, during the early years of this country to bring your gun to church.

    From Colonial Firearm Regulation by Clayton E. Cramer
    "Common to nearly every colony was the requirement that members of the militia (nearly all free white men) possess muskets and ammunition; the rest, such as Rhode Island and South Carolina, clearly assume it. Some of these statutes are explicit that militiamen are to keep their guns at home; others imply it, by specifying fines for failure to appear with guns at church or militia musters."
    +1, Not to bug but do you have a reference? like a specific book or article/website. I would LOVE to learn more about this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantic84 View Post
    +1, Not to bug but do you have a reference? like a specific book or article/website. I would LOVE to learn more about this!
    Quote Originally Posted by FallonJeeper View Post
    From Colonial Firearm Regulation by Clayton E. Cramer
    "Common to nearly every colony was the requirement that members of the militia (nearly all free white men) possess muskets and ammunition; the rest, such as Rhode Island and South Carolina, clearly assume it. Some of these statutes are explicit that militiamen are to keep their guns at home; others imply it, by specifying fines for failure to appear with guns at church or militia musters."


    http://www.saf.org/journal/16/coloni...regulation.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
    Well if you check your history, our forefathers did not bring guns to church, to weddings, or to funerals.

    And if you were invited to someone's home for dinner you left your guns in the wagon.

    This CCW thing is still sorting itself out.
    Just because in older times people went through mindless time wasting rituals doesn't mean that modern people should do the same.

    Do you have any reasons based upon logic why someone should be required to disarm before going to funerals or weddings or every other home and business?

    And there are all of a sudden a lot of extremists.
    Yeah, most of the anti-gun extremists popped up after JFK was assassinated in a knee jerk reaction to it. Then all the extremists indoctrinated the children, and now that extreme way of looking at the world is "normal." There was a time when you could order guns through the mail, and blood did not run through the streets.

    If an idea is not mainstream that does not make the idea any less credible. And just because a belief is widespread does not make it true.

    At one point in time it was readily agreed by most that smoking had health benefits, and at one time people were punished for writing with the left hand.

    In many parts of the world it is or was rude to wear hats in doors, or to use a knife in the left hand. Tradition does not imply good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantic84 View Post
    +1, Not to bug but do you have a reference? like a specific book or article/website. I would LOVE to learn more about this!
    Google "Colonial Firearm Regulation by Clayton E. Cramer"
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    I wake up in the morning and put my pants on then holster and gun.

    If I go someplace that I am not legally allowed to carry I do my best to avoid, however it is incredibly stupid to leave my handgun in a car, its asking to be stolen.
    The safest place for my gun is in a retention holster on my hip, living in a very rural area means hours long journeys for Church/shopping & I never know if I'm going to be in a good neighborhood or a bad one, if road construction will divert me or if an accicent will close down a highway.

    Shobee, you are offensive and uneducated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrsjhnsn View Post
    "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! "
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