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    I understand the sentiment, but you only have to pay for the class once (and re-certifications, IF we can't get rid of it).

    The bodyguard may want a regular paycheck.
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    Lets hear some opinions on when and why one would draw there weapon...this should be interesting

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    In Ohio?

    1) Groundhogs

    2) Coyotes

    3) People who start an attack on me or my family, and from whom I cannot or do not have to retreat, and whom I fear may kill me or cause me severe bodily harm.

    All 3 are always in season in Ohio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWifeSaidYes View Post
    I understand the sentiment, but you only have to pay for the class once (and re-certifications, IF we can't get rid of it).

    The bodyguard may want a regular paycheck.
    This is true.

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    Has anyone had any encounters with Elyria PD negative or positive. And is there any other person in lorain county that has made the decision to OC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrenching89 View Post
    And is there any other person in lorain county that has made the decision to OC.
    I searched the forum on "Lorain" and found this among other results:

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ghlight=Lorain

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    "ras"

    The question is that without CHL, when transporting a firearm it must be stowed in a case in trunk unloaded, all ammo out of magazine out of magazine correct. But once I arrive at the grocery store I must be completely out of the vehicle before I can begin to load the magazine and firearm correct. So what if someone sees me loading my firearm and calls the local PD. If they request to see my ID at that time am I required to present it and can they legally detain me, or charge me with anything such as brandishing?

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    just try not to let anyone see you loading it up, lol. DO NOT GO INTO KROGER WITH it. unless u have a ccw (CHL) it is a class D liquor esablishment

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrenching89
    So what if someone sees me loading my firearm and calls the local PD.
    Oh,well.

    I have had a few odd stares when standing at my tailgate, loading a mag or two, picking up my handgun and firmly inserting a magazine before holstering.

    I'm doing a legal activity. If it bothers them, that's too bad.

    If they request to see my ID at that time am I required to present it
    If police are present "at that time" you had best not be holding the gun, but you can happily load magazines to your hearts content. As your gun should still be stored in your car, and you are out of your car, they can ask for ID, but you don't have to give.

    ...and can they legally detain me,
    IF they have RAS, yes.

    ...or charge me with anything such as brandishing?
    I believe 'brandishing' is not a crime in Ohio. The uninformed police will try to threaten you with Disorderly Conduct and other such nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magickallife
    just try not to let anyone see you loading it up, lol. DO NOT GO INTO KROGER WITH it. unless u have a ccw (CHL) it is a class D liquor esablishment
    Only when they are serving alcohol, such as during a wine tasting.

    Otherwise, open carry is legal in a Kroger store with no CPZ signs.
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    So long as they are not doing wine testing the little gun signs they got saying "you MAY be breaking law if you enter here" blah blah blah is only a scare tactic? for when they are actually doing the tastings???



    Cop told me its illegal all the time whether people are drinking or not.... kroger doesnt ave no gun signs they have you may e breaking the law with a gun if you enter here signs

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    First, cops are allowed to lie. Do not rely on legal information from a LEO.

    Second, the law says you can't have a gun in a room where alcohol is being served (without a CHL).

    So yes, you can go into a Kroger's legally, then, while you are shopping, they could start a wine tasting, putting you in violation and you might not realize it.

    You carries your gun and you takes your chances!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWifeSaidYes View Post
    First, cops are allowed to lie. Do not rely on legal information from a LEO.

    Second, the law says you can't have a gun in a room where alcohol is being served (without a CHL).

    So yes, you can go into a Kroger's legally, then, while you are shopping, they could start a wine tasting, putting you in violation and you might not realize it.

    You carries your gun and you takes your chances!




    scary stuff really, best to have the license when going into a kroger open carrying lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magickallife View Post
    scary stuff really, best to have the license when going into a kroger open carrying lol
    Yes, because Kroger is a high class establishment that does a lot of wine tastings, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWifeSaidYes View Post
    First, cops are allowed to lie. Do not rely on legal information from a LEO.

    Second, the law says you can't have a gun in a room where alcohol is being served (without a CHL).

    So yes, you can go into a Kroger's legally, then, while you are shopping, they could start a wine tasting, putting you in violation and you might not realize it.

    You carries your gun and you takes your chances!
    A better question: If you're in a restaurant, and the table next to you is drinking alcohol, does this then apply?

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    If the place has a class D license and any patron is consuming alcohol or even if alcohol is available for purchase and consumption on the property then I'd say it applies.

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    2923.121 Possession of firearm in liquor permit premises - prohibition, exceptions.

    (A) No person shall possess a firearm in any room in which any person is consuming liquor in premises for which a D permit has been issued under Chapter 4303. of the Revised Code or in an open air arena for which a permit of that nature has been issued.
    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.121
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    ^^^What Grapeshot said. And 2923.121(B)(1)(e) gives the exception for CHL holders who are not consuming.


    Without a CHL, do not go into any restaurant that serves alcohol...or any bar that serves food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWifeSaidYes View Post
    ^^^What Grapeshot said. And 2923.121(B)(1)(e) gives the exception for CHL holders who are not consuming.


    Without a CHL, do not go into any restaurant that serves alcohol...or any bar that serves food.
    Well that needs to be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel Avenelle View Post
    Well that needs to be fixed.
    I'm actually OK with it. I'm all for bearing arms, but I'm just unsure of how many irresponsible people would carry into a bar, decide to drink, and then be carrying a weapon with alcohol in their system. Requiring a permit, in my opinion, lessons that because people definitely won't want to lose something they had to pay for and spend time getting.

    Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel Avenelle View Post
    Well that needs to be fixed.

    Hey, we JUST got restaurant carry WITH a CHL. Give it a little time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hareuhal View Post
    I'm actually OK with it. I'm all for bearing arms, but I'm just unsure of how many irresponsible people would carry into a bar, decide to drink, and then be carrying a weapon with alcohol in their system. Requiring a permit, in my opinion, lessons that because people definitely won't want to lose something they had to pay for and spend time getting.

    Just my opinion.
    And even irresponsible people can get a CHL.

    And why would an irresponsible person (without a CHL) NOT carry into a bar NOW?

    They were carrying into bars and getting drunk before we had legal CC in Ohio.

    They were carrying into bars and getting drunk before we had restaurant carry WITH a CHL.

    They WILL be carrying into bars until the bars install metal detectors at all entrances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWifeSaidYes View Post
    And even irresponsible people can get a CHL.

    And why would an irresponsible person (without a CHL) NOT carry into a bar NOW?

    They were carrying into bars and getting drunk before we had legal CC in Ohio.

    They were carrying into bars and getting drunk before we had restaurant carry WITH a CHL.

    They WILL be carrying into bars until the bars install metal detectors at all entrances.
    Yep - criminals don't obey laws.

    Such restrictions only penalize LACs


    Virginia's guns and alcohol permissive laws (OC legal to drink, CC OK, but can't drink) has been such a dismal failure - shoot outs everywhere and blood running down the streets
    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWifeSaidYes View Post
    Oh,well.

    I have had a few odd stares when standing at my tailgate, loading a mag or two, picking up my handgun and firmly inserting a magazine before holstering.

    I'm doing a legal activity. If it bothers them, that's too bad.


    If police are present "at that time" you had best not be holding the gun, but you can happily load magazines to your hearts content. As your gun should still be stored in your car, and you are out of your car, they can ask for ID, but you don't have to give.


    IF they have RAS, yes.


    I believe 'brandishing' is not a crime in Ohio. The uninformed police will try to threaten you with Disorderly Conduct and other such nonsense.

    Did you obtain CHL?

    Yeah, I would deffently aggree that I would not want to he holding it. What if I didnt see any around at the time and they sneak up on me what could they do if they saw me insert the magazine and load one in the chamber?

    Would a complaint of someone walking into a store just seen loading a gun be RAS enough to detain? And what happens if someone from the store calls in a complaint but dose not approach you first, asking you to leave due to store policy (no sign posted on enterance). Can they detain you or arrest you for trespassing.

    How sure are you on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWifeSaidYes View Post
    First, cops are allowed to lie. Do not rely on legal information from a LEO.

    Second, the law says you can't have a gun in a room where alcohol is being served (without a CHL).

    So yes, you can go into a Kroger's legally, then, while you are shopping, they could start a wine tasting, putting you in violation and you might not realize it.

    You carries your gun and you takes your chances!
    While I have no link I believe I've read that as long as you stay 30 + feet away from wine tasting area that it is legal. But I am not certain. The Krogers here in Oxford has their wine tasting on Fridays.

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