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    Gun safety tables at Seattle police open house picnics.

    Since Mayor McGinn dosen't like open carry, because we quote " scare the public and the police." I was wonder if there is any interest in doing a gun safety table at the Seattle police open house picnics. There are I think 6 precincts. The best ones to do to talk to the most people would be East Precinct, North Precinct, and South Precinct. My favorite is Harbor Patrol, down by Gas Works park, nice setting but not alot of people. They usually do the picnics on different days, but I've heard a rumor that this year they are going to do them all on the same day. Great thing about it, is the police dept. feeds us! Hot dogs, chips, drinks, fruit, ice cream, good eats! Would this be something anyone would be interested in doing?

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    dates?

    When?

    Interesting but more just out of curiosity.
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    you have the law enforcement background and i know you have already had your run-in with ignorance up in the SPD. i think it is a great idea, i am a bit to far south to be running to seattle but we do have a good set of people in the area that do a fine job inforimng the public.
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    We were discussing a similar idea last sunday at the Whatcom County Starbucks meet. There will be a "Second Annual Bloedel Donovan OCDO Picnic in July (Bastille Day). The plan is to conduct a weapons safety class once an hour during the picnic to anyone who wishes to listen. This (imho) is an extremely positive way to "take it to the people". By doing it in seattle with LEO support, it could be even more positive.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    Since Mayor McGinn dosen't like open carry, because we quote " scare the public and the police." I was wonder if there is any interest in doing a gun safety table at the Seattle police open house picnics. There are I think 6 precincts. The best ones to do to talk to the most people would be East Precinct, North Precinct, and South Precinct. My favorite is Harbor Patrol, down by Gas Works park, nice setting but not alot of people. They usually do the picnics on different days, but I've heard a rumor that this year they are going to do them all on the same day. Great thing about it, is the police dept. feeds us! Hot dogs, chips, drinks, fruit, ice cream, good eats! Would this be something anyone would be interested in doing?
    Date? Time? Place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rapgood View Post
    Date? Time? Place?
    I'm game.
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    Sounds awsome!
    I'm not a coward, I've just never been tested, I'd like to think that if I was I would pass,
    Look at the tested and think "there but for the grace go on," I might be a coward... I'm afraid of what I might find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    I'm game.
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    Sounds awsome!
    Once we know the date, I suggest that we attend and OC. Sound good to you?

    Found it! http://seattlepolicefoundation.org/e...cinct-picnics/ -- looks like August 11, citywide.
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    I would love to take part

    Seattle is not to far away, and by Aug, things should be rock solid in my life. I am ready to be there, and take part 100% I am open to listen, and be apart of the group. I want to know if we should OC though. I look forward to taking part. I may even get my wife to go with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07Altima View Post
    Seattle is not to far away, and by Aug, things should be rock solid in my life. I am ready to be there, and take part 100% I am open to listen, and be apart of the group. I want to know if we should OC though. I look forward to taking part. I may even get my wife to go with.
    Oh, yes. Definitely OC.
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    Hoping this will give us a good rep with the city police :)

    I really am optimistic about this hoping it gives us good PR

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    Since Mayor McGinn dosen't like open carry, because we quote " scare ... the police." ?
    That's one of the purposes of our 2nd amendment -- to scare our government employees ....

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    So what should we have on our tables?

    I think we should of course have the open carry flier, and some coloring books and stuff for the kids, I was thinking Eddy the Eagle stuff from the NRA. I don't know if we have to supply the table and canopy like the other tables had, or if the dept. supplies it. I will find out. Maybe some pictures of a revolver and semi auto handgun, so we can explain the differeces and how they work. It would be nice to have some push button lock boxes to show people how to store a loaded gun in the home. It would be nice to have information about local gun instructor and ladies nite at Wade's. What else guys...?
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    Personally I think that's enough information. Don't want to overwhelm them. Too much stuff might just be viewed as clutter and turn people away thinking that you're just a "gun nut." I think you should keep it simple and to the point.

    Now if you had the resources for multiple tables I'd say spread out and have as much as you can.

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    perhaps

    Maybe a couple gun locks, trigger locks for the pistol's, and I can bring my Weatherby breach lock. I would like to take a few pics of my firearm so that I can demo the Taurus safety system. Stickers or Balloons are a great thing as well. more than willing to bring a few pictures of my shotgun, and pistol numbers blocked out of course but bring pics of them. I may see about laminating them so they can be used several times over, the more we can recycle for the next year the better
    I would like to see something maybe about safety in terms of night encounters as that is the most dangerous situation one can be in, it has been shown that more safety accidents occur in the middle of the night. I think we have all heard the horror stories of the man who accidentally shoots his wife while investigating a noise down stairs. I think that addressing this may be a good thing just get some stuff out there about how one can handle a night time investigation safely.

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    Thanks Tom and Altima, I'll keep those things in mind.

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    [QUOTE=07Altima;1764891
    I would like to see something maybe about safety in terms of night encounters as that is the most dangerous situation one can be in, it has been shown that more safety accidents occur in the middle of the night. I think we have all heard the horror stories of the man who accidentally shoots his wife while investigating a noise down stairs. I think that addressing this may be a good thing just get some stuff out there about how one can handle a night time investigation safely.[/QUOTE]

    This could be good as long as one does not get into the use of tactics. That could be misconstrued as an aggressive rather than defensive or safety issue.
    Focus on the safety issue and pass out the OCDO flyer. Recommend the FREE NRA home safety class put on by WAC for the rest of it. YEAH,YEAH, YEAH, I know you would not go to WAC even for a free class that is open to NON members.

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    yeah I agree

    The safety side of it was more the focus on my statement, such as make sure you can give yourself good lighting, ensure some one is going to be able to have 911 on the line if it turns out to be a home invasion. make sure you have areas of ingress egress well lit to help dissuade some one from trying to enter your home in the middle of the night, never assume that the sounds are hostile, unless you hear some one kicking down your door, or breaking out a window. it appears that many sad accidents have occurred because of poor trigger control, having been frightened to the point of grabbing your firearm for self defense one should not have their finger automatically on the trigger this has resulted in needless injury, and death. I know there are good ways to address this issue. I hope that we can come up with some good stuff. The more proactive we are as a group the more accepted we will be as individuals within the circles that disagree with us.

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    Project Childsafe will give you all the locks you want BUT you have to get them from your local police department as they won't give them to anyone else in bulk.

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    On monday june 4, 2012 i sent this...

    Dear Mrs. Pilon,

    My name is Eric Miller and Maggy Olson directed me to you for permission to put on a gun safety table at the next police open house picnic. I attended all of the picnics last year, and my friends and I are concerned with all the accidents with children that have happened this last year, so we thought a gun safety table would be informative for the public.

    At our table we will have gun safes, gun locks, Eddy the Eagle kid coloring books from the NRA and crayons. We will also have information on free gun home safety training.

    I have a lot of volunteers, so we can cover all of the picnics on the one day if that's what the dept. is planning.

    You can reach me by phone at 206-390-5200 if you have any questions. We are a non-profit community based organization, Open Carry.org.

    Hope to here from you soon. Sincerely Eric Miller

    COMMENT BY ADMINISTRATOR: Please note that Mike & I have never filed for non-profit status with the state of Virginia or with the IRS. We DO NOT represent ourselves as a non-profit but as an 'unprofitable' community based organization.

    Please feel free to hold events as 'members' of OpenCarry.org but for legal purposes I must state that only Mike or I speak for the organization. Having said that, I hope the event is a great success!

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    On Thursday June 28 2012, I recieved this.....

    Hello Eric,



    Thank you for making contact regarding hosting booths at the Precinct Picnics this year regarding gun safety. Gun safety is an important safety topic, and we appreciate having community members who are interested in providing this information.



    However, we will have Crime Prevention Coordinators, Precinct Officers, Community Police Team Officers, as well as SWAT Officers at the picnics, and it would be an overlap of resources to also have an additional booth providing gun safety information.



    I hope you and your volunteers are able to come and attend the Picnics this year, and again thank you for the offer of hosting a booth!



    Best Regards,



    Diane Pilon
    Seattle Police Foundation Liaison
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    610 5th Avenue
    PO Box 34986
    Seattle, WA 98124-4986
    206-386-1996

    diane.pilon@seattle.gov

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    So what to do now....

    Seattle police dept. is having all their open house picnics on one day, Saturday August 11, 2012. I don't think they are going to have any gun safety stuff put on by any of the police officers. I think there is room for our table and they just don't want us there. I am thinking of filing a complaint with OPA, Office of Police Accountabilty, but I haven't figured out the grounds just yet. I bet they are going to have plenty of room for the other community tables. This SUCKS!

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    You should ask her what the problem with "overlap" would be. You're volunteering, so there's no cost involved, and you might actually cover something that those so-called gun experts wouldn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    Hello Eric,

    Thank you for making contact regarding hosting booths at the Precinct Picnics this year regarding gun safety. Gun safety is an important safety topic, and we appreciate having community members who are interested in providing this information.



    However, we will have Crime Prevention Coordinators, Precinct Officers, Community Police Team Officers, as well as SWAT Officers at the picnics, and it would be an overlap of resources to also have an additional booth providing gun safety information.



    I hope you and your volunteers are able to come and attend the Picnics this year, and again thank you for the offer of hosting a booth!



    Best Regards,



    Diane Pilon
    Seattle Police Foundation Liaison
    Seattle Police Department
    610 5th Avenue
    PO Box 34986
    Seattle, WA 98124-4986
    206-386-1996

    diane.pilon@seattle.gov

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    They don't want you to make the SPD look bad.

    Too bad most citizens know more about the handling and use of firearms. Maybe Dave Workman could mention this in an article sometime soon. Heck, this is one thing you could easily go to the media with. The headline would read "SPD refuses to allow gun safety booth at picnics" PR nightmare for them, PR bonanza for us.

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