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    Police Stop everyone at Intersection.


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    I hope there is a massive law suit in the works.

    I also noted that at 0:27 "it turns out that the robber was among them, armed with these high powered hand guns." What constitutes a high powered hand gun?
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    Hey now, he said it was a "virtual certainty" ... ya know... to infringe upon our "virtual rights"......
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    what A travesty

    That is FUC#ED up like A soup sandwich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi View Post
    I hope there is a massive law suit in the works.

    I also noted that at 0:27 "it turns out that the robber was among them, armed with these high powered hand guns." What constitutes a high powered hand gun?
    Those guns, if they are what I think they are, are not "high powered"

    At the very extreme end I would call .44 Magnum and above "high powered"

    But in actuality I would only call something like the S&W .500 as "high powered"

    This is nothing but bad policing, violation of constitutional rights, and fear based liberal media.

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    Police Chief Daniel Oates on Monday apologized to the innocent bystanders that got caught up in the search for the suspect. Oates also said the ends justify the means since the suspect was caught.
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    The ends do not justify the means when any Constitutional right is trampled on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfebane View Post
    The ends do not justify the means when any Constitutional right is trampled on.
    +1

    The story states :"they all consented to the search". I wonder what would have become of a law abiding citizen if they would have refused? 18 innocent people cuffed & detained for nearly two hours? They will call this good police work?

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    "Pardon me, citizen but these dozens of men all pointing high-powered weapons in your family's general direction need you to cooperate with them and voluntarily consent to being extracted from your vehicle and handcuffed. You Will cooperate... won't you?"?
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    So what's the going rate for false arrest? Reckless endangerment? Assault and battery under the color of law? Maybe a million each? Aurora have $40,000,000 extra sitting in a drawer somewhere?

    What a screwup...
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    I's so damn disgusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom First View Post
    So what's the going rate for false arrest? Reckless endangerment? Assault and battery under the color of law? Maybe a million each? Aurora have $40,000,000 extra sitting in a drawer somewhere?

    What a screwup...
    Maybe they got lucky and only searched liberals.
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    I would say the “reliable” tip was not so “reliable” if they still did not know who they were looking for. If it was reliable someone had to have known who to point out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf-father View Post
    I would say the “reliable” tip was not so “reliable” if they still did not know who they were looking for. If it was reliable someone had to have known who to point out.
    They used that word because the courts have used that word. The courts have ruled that anonymous tips do not meet PC/RAS, but tips from reliable sources may meet the PC or RAS thresh hold. From what the story describes, it seems on it's face to be an end around proper 4th amendment procedure. I certainly hope that the ACLU and/or others get involved. Too bad there wasn't a 4th amendment savvy person in one of the random vehicles to refuse a police search.
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    No matter what if the Cops knew it was a man and they then detained a female by herself they have some splaining to do.

    If they knew it was a white man and they detained a black man, the list of who they should not have detained could get very long.

    This was for 2 hours, how do you detain people that do not match in any way the description of the bank robber. I am having a bad time understanding how they would not have some description in a two hour time frame.

    If the Cops had no physical description of the suspect then everyone they detained was detained unlawfully. Either way I don't see this ending well for Aurora.

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    "The search lasted between an hour and a half and two hours, and it wasn’t until the final car was searched that police apprehended the suspect."

    Doh!

    And my car keys are always in the last place I look.

    Doh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan View Post
    No matter what if the Cops knew it was a man and they then detained a female by herself they have some splaining to do.

    If they knew it was a white man and they detained a black man, the list of who they should not have detained could get very long.
    They kicked off this circus with no suspect description at all. Man, woman, white, black... they had no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    They kicked off this circus with no suspect description at all. Man, woman, white, black... they had no idea.
    Then they have a lot bigger problems than I thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan View Post
    Then they have a lot bigger problems than I thought.
    +1

    This is what happens when cops play cops-and-robbers for themselves disconnected from why they are supposed to be playing the game.

    Any citizen who made a "furtive" movement could well have been shot dead--and we all know the shooter cop would have been let off scott-free as "justified" by his need to make a so-called "split-second" decision. A tragic--but justifiable--accident is how it would be characterized by government and press. This was about as unsafe an incident as possible.

    There is no reason whatever the robber could not have been pursued as usual through investigation and normal police work, rather ther than endangering numerous citizens.

    And, this doesn't even take into account whether someone might have had a large dog in his car. Anybody want to take bets whether the cops woulda shot an aggressive dog which was merely defending its owner or owner's child? Lotsa dogs killed by police. Google the word "puppycide." (no joke)

    When cops play cops-and-robbers with utter disregard for the safety of the people they are supposed to be protecting, you know they want to play cops-and-robbers for their own sake rather than ours.

    Here's an even more powerful image. Note the victim's obvious youth. Note the handgun being pointed from around the side of the ballistic shield. Yes, readers. Those are Amerikan cops.

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    So if the bank robbers used a "black handgun" and you were in one of those stopped vehicles and legally had a "black handgun" in your car, I guess they are sending you to jail with bank robbery charges.

    And of course, the LEO's would get on the stand at trial and lie and swear that it was you who robbed the place since you "matched the description" and all.

    Jesus Christ, what country am I living in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf-father View Post
    I would say the “reliable” tip was not so “reliable” if they still did not know who they were looking for. If it was reliable someone had to have known who to point out.
    It can't be very reliable, given it had less than a 5% accuracy rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    +1

    This is what happens when cops play cops-and-robbers for themselves disconnected from why they are supposed to be playing the game.

    Any citizen who made a "furtive" movement could well have been shot dead--and we all know the shooter cop would have been let off scott-free as "justified" by his need to make a so-called "split-second" decision. A tragic--but justifiable--accident is how it would be characterized by government and press. This was about as unsafe an incident as possible.

    There is no reason whatever the robber could not have been pursued as usual through investigation and normal police work, rather ther than endangering numerous citizens.

    And, this doesn't even take into account whether someone might have had a large dog in his car. Anybody want to take bets whether the cops woulda shot an aggressive dog which was merely defending its owner or owner's child? Lotsa dogs killed by police. Google the word "puppycide." (no joke)

    When cops play cops-and-robbers with utter disregard for the safety of the people they are supposed to be protecting, you know they want to play cops-and-robbers for their own sake rather than ours.

    Here's an even more powerful image. Note the victim's obvious youth. Note the handgun being pointed from around the side of the ballistic shield. Yes, readers. Those are Amerikan cops.

    Video

    Reporter: What if he'd opened fire with all those people at the scene?
    Police: Well, my understanding of the tactics used at the scene led me to believe it was extremely well done.

    Imagine his answer if any of the scenarios you described had happened!

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