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GRNC Alert 6-6-12: Republicans Trying to Kill Restaurant Carry?

cricketdad

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GRNC Alert 6-6-12:
Republicans Trying to Kill Restaurant Carry?

Plans to send HB 111 to Finance Committee rather than floor.

Could it be that the Republicans who purport to serve you in the NC Senate are more concerned about polls than about your safety in restaurants? It would appear so, in fact so much so that they appear to be playing word games about the fate of HB 111.

Here is the story... A short time ago, folks from the office of Senate President Pro-Tem Phil Berger promised GRNC President Paul Valone that HB 111 would get a hearing in the Senate Judiciary II Committee. This would seem to indicate that it would next be headed to the Senate floor for a vote. BUT HOLD ON... NOT SO FAST! It appears they wish to play both sides of the board. Rather than planning to pass it out to the floor, GRNC has learned that Senate J-II Committee plans to pass it on to the Finance Committee. Now the first reaction among GRNC staff is that Finance would simply be a place where they might be sending HB 111 to die.

MAYBE THERE IS MORE TO THE STORY... WE HOPE SO!

Fearing the worst, we have been on the phone with staffers who are now assuring us that this move is being made to keep it alive because all other non-financial committee hearings are about to be shut down for the session. We certainly hope this to be the case. We also feel very strongly that you should contact them and impart your most fervent desire that this is the case. In short tell them that you want HB 111 sent to the Senate Floor for a vote.

IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED

Contact the Senate Judiciary II Committee

Cut-and-paste email list of members to contact:

Austin.Allran@ncleg.net, Warren.Daniel@ncleg.net, Buck.Newton@ncleg.net, Chris.Carney@ncleg.net, Doug.Berger@ncleg.net, Stan.Bingham@ncleg.net, Harris.Blake@ncleg.net, Dan.Blue@ncleg.net, Charlie.Dannelly@ncleg.net, Jim.Davis@ncleg.net, Don.East@ncleg.net, Fletcher.Hartsell@ncleg.net, Edward.Jones@ncleg.net, Floyd.McKissick@ncleg.net, Tommy.Tucker@ncleg.net, Don.Vaughan@ncleg.net, Tom.Apodaca@ncleg.net, Phil.Berger@ncleg.net

Deliver this Message
Suggested subject line: “Pass HB 111 – Restaurant Carry”

Senator:

I will make this short and sweet. I want you to keep the promises you made to Grass Roots North Carolina on HB 111, Restaurant Carry. Send HB 111 to the floor of the Senate and then pass it into law.

I will be watching this matter closely through Grass Roots North Carolina’s alerts.

Sincerely,
 

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I would like to add to this. Be sure to add your a registered voter, your name and the county that you reside in. Let this Politicians know that we can and will extend or end their careers.
 
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That's because this article with NRA support is HB111 and we all support it, we don't want it to go to the finance committee if it will just die in place there.
My NRA might support it but saying they are a driving force is pushing it some (alot). The 8,000 letters I have received this year have all asked for money. None of it was for H.B.111. I do not see this bill going to the floor for a vote with this being a election year and all of the anti's bleating about what has transpired in Florida.
 

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The funny thing is it took them all of three weeks to vote in live dealers for the Cherokee casinos and put it on Bev's desk to sign after the tribe offered them 10% of the profit but this Bill takes 6 months to even be discussed.
 

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My NRA might support it but saying they are a driving force is pushing it some (alot). The 8,000 letters I have received this year have all asked for money. None of it was for H.B.111. I do not see this bill going to the floor for a vote with this being a election year and all of the anti's bleating about what has transpired in Florida.
You really didn't have to send me an email to prove you are backing this bill.

From my email inbox just now from NRA-ILA

NRA-ILA said:
North Carolina: NRA-Backed Bills Move through State Legislature

The North Carolina General Assembly’s short session is well underway, with substantial progress made on efforts to improve our Right to Keep and Bear Arms in the Tar Heel State. This week, the Senate passed House Bill 843, sending it to Governor Bev Perdue for her approval. Additionally, the Senate Judiciary II Committee considered House Bill 111 yesterday, passed it unanimously and sent this legislation to the Senate Finance Committee where it now awaits a hearing.

House Bill 843 makes substantial changes to the North Carolina Emergency Management Act by adding critical language to the section of North Carolina statute that deals with what restrictions may be imposed during a declared state of emergency. Specifically, this bill states that the restrictions section “does not authorize prohibitions or restrictions on lawfully possessed firearms or ammunition.” This means that, if there is a declared state of emergency due to natural disasters or other problems that create a state of disarray and unrest that requires emergency procedures to be implemented by a government entity, the rights of law-abiding gun owners will no longer be subject to possible suspension. The Senate added this critical language in the Senate Judiciary I Committee, and HB 843 then passed in the full Senate on Tuesday, June 5, on a 49-0 vote. The House concurred with the Senate language the following day, by a vote of 113 to 1, and HB 843 now awaits action by Governor Bev Perdue (D).

House Bill 111 would allow law-abiding gun owners who have a Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP) to carry a concealed firearm into most restaurants that serve alcohol for on-premises consumption. North Carolina is one of only five states that completely prohibits an individual who lawfully carries a concealed firearm for personal protection from carrying it into restaurants where alcohol is sold. This bill is critical if North Carolina is going to join the vast majority of the country in trusting permit holders to carry their firearms in such places. In addition, HB 111 amends the law passed last year in House Bill 650 (previously reported on here) that imposed restrictions on prohibiting CHP holders from carrying firearms in parks under the control of local governments. Because some local governments have gone beyond what HB 650 allowed, HB 111 was amended to impose tighter restrictions on these governments. If enacted, this bill would restrict local governments from prohibiting lawfully carried concealed firearms in such places as greenways, designated biking or walking paths, certain open areas and fields, as well as other areas. An NRA representative spoke in favor of HB 111, and the Senate Judiciary II Committee passed it on a voice vote. This bill now resides in the Senate Finance Committee, where we hope it will be considered and passed in the near future. The NRA-ILA would like to thank Senator Buck Newton (R-11), who has been working tirelessly to promote HB 111.
Leg-Ribbon-Contact Please take a moment to thank members of the Senate Judiciary II Committee for passing H111, and urge them to continue to support this critical reform. Committee member contact information can be found by clicking here.
 

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My NRA might support it but saying they are a driving force is pushing it some (alot). The 8,000 letters I have received this year have all asked for money. None of it was for H.B.111. I do not see this bill going to the floor for a vote with this being a election year and all of the anti's bleating about what has transpired in Florida.

I think I have received that many letters too, all asking for money. Got two today, it becomes tiresome, guess I should let them know they don't get opened and go right into the recycle. I will donate to GRNC first. Don't get me wrong, I believe in the NRA and donate, but they should consider how much they spend on preaching to the choir.
 
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Fellas, I can't speak for what they are trying to do with this bill. But I just read the update and they are adjusting the language to clarify the problems with parks carry. That makes me think it's not dead yet. There is no reason to invest any effort like that into a dead bill. It's in the Senate Finance Committee, they will meet Wed. Fill up their inboxes between now and then and make this happen. Forget polls, let them know that real voters want this bill.


Finance Comm.

http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/Comm...ewCommittee&sActionDetails=Senate Standing_77


Amended text.

http://www.ncleg.net/Applications/B...nt.aspx?SessionCode=2011&DocNum=6547&SeqNum=0
 

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Reading the comments from that one article is just plain ridiculous. They call us "gun nuts" but I am convinced, they are just "plain nuts".
 

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I think I have received that many letters too, all asking for money. Got two today, it becomes tiresome, guess I should let them know they don't get opened and go right into the recycle. I will donate to GRNC first. Don't get me wrong, I believe in the NRA and donate, but they should consider how much they spend on preaching to the choir.

I called the NRA several years ago and requested to be taken off the mailing list. Told them to save their money. Believe it or not, they took me off the list.
 

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Fellas, I can't speak for what they are trying to do with this bill. But I just read the update and they are adjusting the language to clarify the problems with parks carry. That makes me think it's not dead yet. There is no reason to invest any effort like that into a dead bill. It's in the Senate Finance Committee, they will meet Wed. Fill up their inboxes between now and then and make this happen. Forget polls, let them know that real voters want this bill.


Finance Comm.

http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/Comm...ewCommittee&sActionDetails=Senate Standing_77


Amended text.

http://www.ncleg.net/Applications/B...nt.aspx?SessionCode=2011&DocNum=6547&SeqNum=0

Anyone happen to have a Cut and Paste list of Finance Committee members emails?
 

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This one is dead. Several months ago I tried to explain to a couple of GRNC volunteers that have daily interaction with GRNC staff members that they were taking the wrong approach to pushing this bill through. I work in the North Carolina restaurant industry so I know the existing laws as they are written. The examples that GRNC was giving (the Flying Biscuit manager and the Chinese restaurant employee) would not have been saved by this bill as they already had the right to arm themselves at their place of business. The Chinese restaurant did not serve alcohol so anyone could carry there. My restaurants serve alcohol and I conceal carry every day legally.

This should have been rolled it into allowing concealed carry into places that charge admission, ie movie theaters. No one can find anything wrong with going to the movies and being able to protect yourself in the parking lot afterwards. Making the main focus of this bill being allowing firearms where alcohol is served doomed it from the start.
 

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here is a response that i got from a politician and the response i sent back. i hope they mean what they say. as for you negative ninny's out there. you must try before anything can happen. there was a lot of opposition in VA too, but it got done

Thanks Amanda, this bill is very important to me. i have been able to carry in restaurants in VA for a couple of years now and there hasn't been one incident. in fact the rate of incidents has fallen over the years since it has been enacted.
i would love to be able to go to a restaurant here in NC like that. and if they don't want my business then they won't get it.
Sincerely, Chris Rakes , Mt, Airy, NC

--- On Mon, 6/11/12, Sen. Ralph Hise <Ralph.Hise@ncleg.net> wrote:

From: Sen. Ralph Hise <Ralph.Hise@ncleg.net>
Subject: RE: self defense
To: "chris rakes" <heyrakes@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 6:57 PM

Dear Mr. Rakes,

Thank you for your message. Senator Hise asked me to share that he will vote for House Bill 111 when it comes before the Senate. Since he is not a member of the Finance Committee, he cannot affect the progress of the bill until it is heard on the Senate floor. However, he has expressed his strong support for the bill and desire that it move forward to Senate leadership.

Thank you again for contacting Senator Hise. Please let us know if we may be of any additional assistance.

Sincerely,
Amanda Dixon

Amanda Dixon
Legislative Intern
Office of Senator Ralph E. Hise, Jr.
North Carolina Senate – 47th District
Room 1026, Legislative Building
(919) 733-3460

 

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But there within lies the rub. It was sent to the Senate Finance Committee because it theoretically has enough votes to pass. Whether Republicans that have said they would vote for it actually would may never be known. The SFC is made up of a lot of Senators from the large city counties, Forsyth, Mecklenburg and Wake. Guess how they feel about weapons? My senator, Charlie Dannelly R. Dist. 38, is on the SFC and has so far ignored my emails and phone calls.
 

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Anyone happen to have a Cut and Paste list of Finance Committee members emails?

The GRNC email may have it. I just clicked on their names from the Finance committee sight and their email is on their bio page. It's a little more work but only about 6 or so names. I don't like to send mass emails. I take the time to send them individually, even if they say the same thing. I don't do the GRNC form letter either. I want it to look personal and like I care enough to do my own writing. YMMV
 

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The GRNC email may have it. I just clicked on their names from the Finance committee sight and their email is on their bio page. It's a little more work but only about 6 or so names. I don't like to send mass emails. I take the time to send them individually, even if they say the same thing. I don't do the GRNC form letter either. I want it to look personal and like I care enough to do my own writing. YMMV

The how doesn't really matter. I agree with what you said. The fact that you made contact with them is what counts.
 

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The GRNC email may have it. I just clicked on their names from the Finance committee sight and their email is on their bio page. It's a little more work but only about 6 or so names. I don't like to send mass emails. I take the time to send them individually, even if they say the same thing. I don't do the GRNC form letter either. I want it to look personal and like I care enough to do my own writing. YMMV
I'm with you on personalizing the email. I always do a different subject line so it wont blend in with the other thousand emails GRNC members send. I also let them know who I am and where I am from.
 

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This one is dead. Several months ago I tried to explain to a couple of GRNC volunteers that have daily interaction with GRNC staff members that they were taking the wrong approach to pushing this bill through. I work in the North Carolina restaurant industry so I know the existing laws as they are written. The examples that GRNC was giving (the Flying Biscuit manager and the Chinese restaurant employee) would not have been saved by this bill as they already had the right to arm themselves at their place of business. The Chinese restaurant did not serve alcohol so anyone could carry there. My restaurants serve alcohol and I conceal carry every day legally.

This should have been rolled it into allowing concealed carry into places that charge admission, ie movie theaters. No one can find anything wrong with going to the movies and being able to protect yourself in the parking lot afterwards. Making the main focus of this bill being allowing firearms where alcohol is served doomed it from the start.

Remember, HB111 was once part of the larger "Castle Doctrine" Bill which was passed, although the "Restaurant" portion (HB111) was stripped at the last minute last year. What is now HB111 is all that is left of the prior bill. It was then shelved and saved for the "Short Session", where republican leaders promised that it would not be sent to places like the Finance Committee as a delay measure.

Lo and behold, look what happened.

The point here is that the bill was already stripped from a larger bill that was passed. All that was left of that larger bill is HB111, which by their own actions last year, caused the only focus of it to be the restaurant portion, and now is the time when gun owners were promised that it would not be buried. Despite those indications, Republican leaders did just that and are trying now to stuff it away until it dies a quiet (in their dreams) death.

So in that case, it already was a part of a larger bill where the main focus was on other portions, but was stripped out, leaving it to stand on it's own accord. Gun owners didn't do this, the Republican leadership did, pure and simple.

It's now past that point. Despite clear indications otherwise, Republican leaders have again tried to shrink away from their own words by attempting to bury the bill in the Finance Committee- a committee which, by the way, has absolutely no bearing on the bill as their are no financial considerations to the bill in the first place. They might as well have just stuffed it into the Tinkerbell Committee or the Bubblegum Committee. Those fictional committees would have just as much bearing on the bill as the Finance committee does.

No, this is a delay tactic and nothing more. It's designed to kill the bill and unless people get the word out that it's wrong and they are tired of being jerked around on this one, that's exactly what's going to happen to it in the end.

For all the whining I hear about "truth in politics", this fine example should serve as a poster child for the rallying call.

It's not about hoping things will turn out right, it's about standing up and letting politicians know that we will not be lied to. If they think they can hide and enjoy a level of protection simply because they have an "R" attached to their name, they are wrong. We didn't elect them because they were Republicans, we elected them because they told us they would defend the 2A and would cast their votes in certain ways when the time came to do so. If they didn't think we'd be following on this one, I reckon they'll understand later on in November.

Keep up the pressure. If we want to wait for some mythical perfect bill to come around later, we're fooling ourselves. We've never been this close, and if the delay tactic works, it will be a long time before we get to this point again. Continue the calls, keep sending the emails, and let the Republican Leadership know that you'll be watching the results closely.
 
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