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    Woman In Albertsons

    So I just got out of work and swung by Albertsons in Pacific (Auburn border on A street) to get a couple things. I was OC'ing my usual 1911.
    As I'm bagging my groceries a woman walks behind me and exclaims, "Whoa!"
    I glanced at her and she says, "You are strapped!"
    She starts to walk away and I heard her say gun and unconcealable.
    I finish bagging my groceries and start for the exit. I pass by her and there is a couple in front of me walking in the same direction. They cannot see me. The store is fairly crowded.
    I hear the woman call out, "Watch out! Man with a gun coming up behind you!"
    I immediately turn around and face her. She stops dead in her tracks.
    I say, "Do you really think that's appropriate?"
    Her eyes are wide, "Sorry, I was just joking."
    I say, "It wasn't funny."
    I turn and leave the store.
    Not a single person in the store heard or saw us. If they did they gave no indication. For once it turned out to be a good thing that people don't pay attention to their surroundings.
    I have heard of this happening to some of you other guys but this was really a first for me. I've had a couple people see my gun and get surprised. Usually just, "Oh, you've got a gun."
    That's it. I was amazed at how loud and boisterous she was about it. I've never had an issue in that store.
    I walked right by the security guard on my way in and I know he saw my weapon. He just said hi and went back to watching other people.
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    Yep, it would be my guess that less than 1 in 100 would even notice. They are too involved in their own life to worry about someone else's.

    We went to town yesterday, narry a peep. I don't look to see if people look, I just listen for comments. 5 stores and a bank...nada

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    Curious if a big issue came from it, would law enforcement see that as yelling fire in a theater ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Yep, it would be my guess that less than 1 in 100 would even notice. They are too involved in their own life to worry about someone else's.

    We went to town yesterday, narry a peep. I don't look to see if people look, I just listen for comments. 5 stores and a bank...nada
    Yeah, but when you go to town...is it the "big" city of Omak or do you go to Tonasket....or even Molson? Heck, growing up over there, in the 60's we had people come down from the hills carrying Peacemakers..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Curious if a big issue came from it, would law enforcement see that as yelling fire in a theater ?
    I had actually wondered the same thing on my way home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Curious if a big issue came from it, would law enforcement see that as yelling fire in a theater ?
    And who would they arrest?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    And who would they arrest?


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    It's illegal to even attempt to incite mass panic. The law comes from people yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater back in the day before safety standards for isles and exits existed. People would literally be trampled to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    I hear the woman call out, "Watch out! Man with a gun coming up behind you!"
    I immediately turn around and face her. She stops dead in her tracks.
    I say, "Do you really think that's appropriate?"
    Her eyes are wide, "Sorry, I was just joking."
    I say, "It wasn't funny."
    Sounds like you ran into someone who is like my cousin.

    My brother and I were at my grandpa's house to pick up a car he had given me and my brother and I were both OC so my cousin, who is a Nth degree black belt in tae-kwon-do, came out and saw my brother and I OC and proceeded to call us bad people then when the UPS guy came to deliver a package she tells him, "watch out those two have guns!." I knew the guy but it did not stop her from exclaiming how dangerous we must be.

    I hate people who do that kind of stunt like that lady and my cousin pull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamonK View Post
    It's illegal to even attempt to incite mass panic. The law comes from people yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater back in the day before safety standards for isles and exits existed. People would literally be trampled to death.
    What do you mean "back in the day". People still get trampled to death and it doesn't have to me in a movie theater. Try Wal-Mart on Black Friday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    when the UPS guy came to deliver a package she tells him, "watch out those two have guns!." I knew the guy but it did not stop her from exclaiming how dangerous we must be.

    Just tell the UPS guy "don't worry about her, we're just watching her until the Group Home can come and pick her up. She keeps sneaking out"
    Last edited by amlevin; 06-10-2012 at 06:41 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Just tell the UPS guy "don't worry about her, we're just watching her until the Group Home can come and pick her up. She keeps sneaking out"
    DAMN very close to the truth about her. She should be locked up but is roaming free.

    Thanks for the good laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    So I just got out of work and swung by Albertsons in Pacific (Auburn border on A street) to get a couple things. I was OC'ing my usual 1911.
    As I'm bagging my groceries a woman walks behind me and exclaims, "Whoa!"
    I glanced at her and she says, "You are strapped!"
    She starts to walk away and I heard her say gun and unconcealable.
    I finish bagging my groceries and start for the exit. I pass by her and there is a couple in front of me walking in the same direction. They cannot see me. The store is fairly crowded.
    I hear the woman call out, "Watch out! Man with a gun coming up behind you!"
    I immediately turn around and face her. She stops dead in her tracks.
    I say, "Do you really think that's appropriate?"
    Her eyes are wide, "Sorry, I was just joking."
    I say, "It wasn't funny."
    I turn and leave the store.
    Not a single person in the store heard or saw us. If they did they gave no indication. For once it turned out to be a good thing that people don't pay attention to their surroundings.
    I have heard of this happening to some of you other guys but this was really a first for me. I've had a couple people see my gun and get surprised. Usually just, "Oh, you've got a gun."
    That's it. I was amazed at how loud and boisterous she was about it. I've never had an issue in that store.
    I walked right by the security guard on my way in and I know he saw my weapon. He just said hi and went back to watching other people.
    Good thing the folks in front of you wern't the nervous type carrying weapons she could have got you killed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Sounds like you ran into someone who is like my cousin.

    My brother and I were at my grandpa's house to pick up a car he had given me and my brother and I were both OC so my cousin, who is a Nth degree black belt in tae-kwon-do, came out and saw my brother and I OC and proceeded to call us bad people then when the UPS guy came to deliver a package she tells him, "watch out those two have guns!." I knew the guy but it did not stop her from exclaiming how dangerous we must be.

    I hate people who do that kind of stunt like that lady and my cousin pull.
    In a fair number of places, serious martial artists (black belts, professional boxers, etc) are considered to be armed with a deadly weapon, when barehanded.

    Takes quite a bit of gall for someone to get on your case for having a deadly weapon, when they ARE a deadly weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    In a fair number of places, serious martial artists (black belts, professional boxers, etc) are considered to be armed with a deadly weapon, when barehanded.

    Takes quite a bit of gall for someone to get on your case for having a deadly weapon, when they ARE a deadly weapon.
    My brother and I did point that out to her. I told her that she's a Nth degree black belt and she was more of a danger than either my brother or myself.

    She really belongs in a straight jacket and is a VERY dangerous person.
    She scary good at lying and misrepresenting the truth.
    She and one other cousin have been the source of much conflict in my family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Just tell the UPS guy "don't worry about her, we're just watching her until the Group Home can come and pick her up. She keeps sneaking out"
    Awesome response!

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    I hate people who do that kind of stunt like that lady and my cousin pull.
    My best friend pulls crap similar to that. Pisses me off, so I try to hide the fact I'm carrying when I'm with her. She's such a child and it's quite annoying. Still, she has been an awesome friend. For the record, she's 21 years old but acts more like she's 14 or something. Though, at last she doesn't think she's the most mature person her age ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by DamonK View Post
    It's illegal to even attempt to incite mass panic. The law comes from people yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater back in the day before safety standards for isles and exits existed. People would literally be trampled to death.
    That's nice, but it doesn't answer my question.

    Who are the police more likely to arrest? The criminal(the idiot) or the victim(the carrier)?


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    [QUOTE)

    That's nice, but it doesn't answer my question.

    Who are the police more likely to arrest? The criminal(the idiot) or the victim(the carrier)?


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    I really hope the law breaker. But I guess that depends on where you are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Curious if a big issue came from it, would law enforcement see that as yelling fire in a theater ?
    But that is when no fire is present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbone View Post
    But that is when no fire is present.
    Or in the presence of actual danger, discuss among yourselves.
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    The proper standard for speech is if it causes 'imminent lawless action'. (The fire~theater was superseded decades ago)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    The proper standard for speech is if it causes 'imminent lawless action'. (The fire~theater was superseded decades ago)
    By "proper standard of speech" do you mean the legal term or common terminology? But that is generally thought to be where that specific law comes from. And it still seems to be one of the best ways to describe it in simple terms.
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    I quoted the current legal language standard.

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    Ah, I see. Cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Yep, it would be my guess that less than 1 in 100 would even notice. They are too involved in their own life to worry about someone else's.

    We went to town yesterday, narry a peep. I don't look to see if people look, I just listen for comments. 5 stores and a bank...nada

    Yup...

    I OC'ed today while selling my car.... Walking around the car with them, taking it on a test drive, etc etc...

    We go to a DOL subagent, and they're closed, so we go back to my place to fill out the paperwork.......

    I go inside, print out the stuff, and we start doing paperwork.. About halfway through she says 'Oh, you have a gun! Did you have that the whole time?'....I just chuckled to myself and said 'yes ma'am', and we had a decent conversation about it. She admitted knowing nothing about them, but her husband (of course) did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbone View Post
    But that is when no fire is present.
    There is always the potential for fire present, or the theater would have no way to show the movie, pop the popcorn, or even turn on the lights.

    Likewise, there is the potential for a mass shooting spree when you see someone armed.

    But screaming about dangers that remain mere potentials, thus inciting panic and/or riot remains a crime if you do it when the danger is not actually present or immediate.

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    We had this very discussion on this very subject back on 11/07/2011 in this thread:
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...k-tonite/page2

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim675 View Post
    I'll throw out: 9A.84.030 Disorderly conduct. Its a stretch though.

    (1) A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if the person:

    (a) Uses abusive language and thereby intentionally creates a risk of assault;

    (b) Intentionally disrupts any lawful assembly or meeting of persons without lawful authority;

    (c) Intentionally obstructs vehicular or pedestrian traffic without lawful authority; or ...SNIP

    Yelling "GUN" in a crowd could logically be expected to cause a class 3 CF as the previously lawful assemblage heads for the exits.

    The screamer isn't blocking traffic but using others to do so. Like I said, a stretch.

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