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Endorse Richard Sanders for our states Supreme Court!

golddigger14s

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I just got a card from the NRA saying to vote for Sen Randi Becker, and Rep Gary Alexander. It says they both earned an "A rating" for for supporting 2nd Amendment rights.
 

sudden valley gunner

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Sanders ... Done. But what about the other positions up for election on the Supreme Court?

That's a good question that I would like answered as well.

I just got a card from the NRA saying to vote for Sen Randi Becker, and Rep Gary Alexander. It says they both earned an "A rating" for for supporting 2nd Amendment rights.

Me too, I haven't really had time to study up on much of the others. IF I don't know about them I don't vote them.

Let's not forget the 2A isn't the only right we need to protect though. I won't vote for anyone who is in stronger support of etatism, increasing police powers, and eliminating elements of our common law heritage.
 

DamonK

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Judge Gary Alexander has been a friend of my Dad's family for a very long time. I'm not 100% on his politics, but I do know that he is a very honest and kind hearted person.

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Lammo

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Justice Sanders wrote many decisions and dissents that many of my fellow prosecutors disagreed with. I on the other hand was thankful for his approach, believing it was more important that we have someone to keep us and the LEOs we work with honest and reining us in when we've gone too far. He absolutely has my vote to return to the court.

PS - - I think Sanders is in a 4 way race. It is unlikely that any one of the 4 will get over 50% so there will likely be a top two "run off" in the general. If Sanders does not make it the last person any one in here should vote for is former Pierce Co. PA and Exec John Ladenburg. Hopefully Sanders will be one of the two and Ladenburg won't.
 

Ajetpilot

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Bruce O. Danielson

Bruce Danielson is running for Supreme Court Justice, position 8. He is a gun rights supporter, and he has attended our OCDO picnics here in Kitsap County. He also appears to be a constitutional fundamentalist. From his web page:

As a Supreme Court justice, I will ensure fundamental constitutional principles are not offended or altered for the sake of accommodating prevailing popular sentiment. I am not afraid to challenge prior case law that misapplies fundamental constitutional principles and rights. My tenure in the Supreme Court will be one free of special interest associations or the politics that can call into question Judge’s impartiality.

Bruce has my strongest endorsement.
 

amlevin

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rapgood

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Although she hasn't ever served on the Supreme Court, Sheryl Gordon McCloud has been a career defense attorney who is a staunch supporter of all things constitutional. A vote for Sheryl is a strong vote for preservation of constitutional rights.

And, while I have nothing negative to say about Sanders, I know Sheryl's work and feel that she is well worth a vote. She got mine.
 

rapgood

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FYI- I know a lot of you support Sanders for S.Ct. This is food for thought from the Spokane Spokesman-Review.
--R


Sheryl Gordon McCloud endorsed by
Spokane Spokesman-Review

July 26, 2012 in Opinion

Editorial: McCloud has perfect temperament for court

Voters have three choices to make in the Washington Supreme Court races, but only one of the contests calls for a difficult decision. Justice Susan Owens isn’t facing serious opposition, and neither is Justice Steven Gonzalez. Both are experienced and qualified.

Meanwhile, four candidates are vying to replace retiring Justice Tom Chambers, and all have passed muster in various bar association surveys. We base our endorsement on the belief that justices should review cases to ensure that constitutional rights are protected, even if that means issuing unpopular rulings.

For that reason – and others – our endorsement goes to Sheryl Gordon McCloud, a veteran attorney who has persuaded appellate courts to make controversial but appropriate rulings. She has argued criminal justice cases in front of the Supreme Court for two decades and has demonstrated that she will address cases on their merits. Because her cases have been disruptive, she does not have the institutional constituency of other candidates. McCloud’s record is wide-ranging, from defending Second Amendment rights to winning a recent reversal of a death penalty conviction. The consistent thread running through her work is that rights ought to be protected. Period.

Richard Sanders, who served three terms on the Supreme Court before his defeat in 2010, has a similar philosophy. His rulings on upholding the 1972 Public Records Act have been important in the fight for greater government transparency. However, he has made some questionable ethical decisions. Plus, Sanders, who is 67, is only eligible to serve one six-year term, because retirement is mandated at age 75.

Bruce Hilyer is a former prosecutor and a veteran judge on the King County Superior Court, which is where Gonzalez was plucked from. He points to his administrative accomplishments, such as raising fees to keep the courts open during a budget crunch. He is the clear favorite in the King County legal community. However, he says as a justice he would consider the consequences of his rulings and how they would affect other branches of government.

This issue has come up repeatedly since the 2002 and 2004 felony-murder cases in which the Supreme Court struck down murder convictions that in most states would have resulted in lesser charges, such as manslaughter. In 2002, the court overturned a felony-murder conviction. Two years later, it decided that all such cases should be overturned going back to 1975, when the statute was written. This affected scores of cases. Prosecutors were outraged. But the alternative would have been to deny equal treatment because it would’ve been messy.

John Ladenburg, formerly a county executive and head prosecutor for Pierce County, also criticizes the court for not considering the consequences of its rulings. Like Hilyer, he would consider the impacts on other cases. He also touts his administrative abilities.

We have endorsed Sanders in the past. Ladenburg and Hilyer are impressive public servants. But we prefer McCloud for her understanding of the proper role of the court, and the knowledge, temperament and independence she can bring to its deliberations.

And it appears some folks are having some second thoughts about their original choice………

Rated “Exceptionally Well Qualified” by 3 Bar Associations

Read about Sheryl at www.mccloudforjustice.com
 

gogodawgs

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FYI- I know a lot of you support Sanders for S.Ct. This is food for thought from the Spokane Spokesman-Review.
--R


Sheryl Gordon McCloud endorsed by
Spokane Spokesman-Review

July 26, 2012 in Opinion

Editorial: McCloud has perfect temperament for court

Voters have three choices to make in the Washington Supreme Court races, but only one of the contests calls for a difficult decision. Justice Susan Owens isn’t facing serious opposition, and neither is Justice Steven Gonzalez. Both are experienced and qualified.

Meanwhile, four candidates are vying to replace retiring Justice Tom Chambers, and all have passed muster in various bar association surveys. We base our endorsement on the belief that justices should review cases to ensure that constitutional rights are protected, even if that means issuing unpopular rulings.

For that reason – and others – our endorsement goes to Sheryl Gordon McCloud, a veteran attorney who has persuaded appellate courts to make controversial but appropriate rulings. She has argued criminal justice cases in front of the Supreme Court for two decades and has demonstrated that she will address cases on their merits. Because her cases have been disruptive, she does not have the institutional constituency of other candidates. McCloud’s record is wide-ranging, from defending Second Amendment rights to winning a recent reversal of a death penalty conviction. The consistent thread running through her work is that rights ought to be protected. Period.

Richard Sanders, who served three terms on the Supreme Court before his defeat in 2010, has a similar philosophy. His rulings on upholding the 1972 Public Records Act have been important in the fight for greater government transparency. However, he has made some questionable ethical decisions. Plus, Sanders, who is 67, is only eligible to serve one six-year term, because retirement is mandated at age 75.

Bruce Hilyer is a former prosecutor and a veteran judge on the King County Superior Court, which is where Gonzalez was plucked from. He points to his administrative accomplishments, such as raising fees to keep the courts open during a budget crunch. He is the clear favorite in the King County legal community. However, he says as a justice he would consider the consequences of his rulings and how they would affect other branches of government.

This issue has come up repeatedly since the 2002 and 2004 felony-murder cases in which the Supreme Court struck down murder convictions that in most states would have resulted in lesser charges, such as manslaughter. In 2002, the court overturned a felony-murder conviction. Two years later, it decided that all such cases should be overturned going back to 1975, when the statute was written. This affected scores of cases. Prosecutors were outraged. But the alternative would have been to deny equal treatment because it would’ve been messy.

John Ladenburg, formerly a county executive and head prosecutor for Pierce County, also criticizes the court for not considering the consequences of its rulings. Like Hilyer, he would consider the impacts on other cases. He also touts his administrative abilities.

We have endorsed Sanders in the past. Ladenburg and Hilyer are impressive public servants. But we prefer McCloud for her understanding of the proper role of the court, and the knowledge, temperament and independence she can bring to its deliberations.

And it appears some folks are having some second thoughts about their original choice………

Rated “Exceptionally Well Qualified” by 3 Bar Associations

Read about Sheryl at www.mccloudforjustice.com

While having an endorsement from a newspaper might seem great (NOT!) I want primary documents. Is there a link to any of McClouds arguments before the court?

With Sanders we have the Sieyes v Washington
 

rapgood

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While having an endorsement from a newspaper might seem great (NOT!) I want primary documents. Is there a link to any of McClouds arguments before the court?
With Sanders we have the Sieyes v Washington

Thanks for asking! Oral arguments for the Supreme Court are typically not transcribed. Some have been broadcast on TV. Written briefs can be found in the S.Ct. records.

Go to http://www.courts.wa.gov/appellate_...dex.cfm?fa=coabriefs.briefsByCase&courtId=A08 and enter "McCloud" in the box on the right labeled: "Search the text of briefs that have been filed with the Supreme Court."

Do the same (Search the text of briefs that have been filed with the Court of Appeals Division I, Division II, Division III) for Appellate Courts found at:
http://www.courts.wa.gov/appellate_...s/index.cfm?fa=coaBriefs.Div1Home&courtId=A01
http://www.courts.wa.gov/appellate_...s/index.cfm?fa=coaBriefs.Div2Home&courtId=A02
and
http://www.courts.wa.gov/appellate_...s/index.cfm?fa=coaBriefs.Div2Home&courtId=A03

Sheryl co-authored the amicus curiae brief in Sieyes that J. Sanders adopted in the decision finding that the 2nd Amendment is applicable to the state via the 14th Amendment. See the brief at:
http://www.courts.wa.gov/content/Br...00&rdepth=0&sufs=0&order=r&cq=7&id=4f59c9dc32

And we have his consistant dissents...like in Spokane vs. Valentine...
Very anti Statist..

Look back at my original post. I did not say that Sanders is a bad choice. Far from it. I simply pointed out that McCloud is also an excellent choice for the seat, and I have seen her impressive work for years.
 

sudden valley gunner

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Thanks for asking! Oral arguments for the Supreme Court are typically not transcribed. Some have been broadcast on TV. Written briefs can be found in the S.Ct. records.

Go to http://www.courts.wa.gov/appellate_...dex.cfm?fa=coabriefs.briefsByCase&courtId=A08 and enter "McCloud" in the box on the right labeled: "Search the text of briefs that have been filed with the Supreme Court."

Do the same (Search the text of briefs that have been filed with the Court of Appeals Division I, Division II, Division III) for Appellate Courts found at:
http://www.courts.wa.gov/appellate_...s/index.cfm?fa=coaBriefs.Div1Home&courtId=A01
http://www.courts.wa.gov/appellate_...s/index.cfm?fa=coaBriefs.Div2Home&courtId=A02
and
http://www.courts.wa.gov/appellate_...s/index.cfm?fa=coaBriefs.Div2Home&courtId=A03

Sheryl co-authored the amicus curiae brief in Sieyes that J. Sanders adopted in the decision finding that the 2nd Amendment is applicable to the state via the 14th Amendment. See the brief at:
http://www.courts.wa.gov/content/Br...00&rdepth=0&sufs=0&order=r&cq=7&id=4f59c9dc32



Look back at my original post. I did not say that Sanders is a bad choice. Far from it. I simply pointed out that McCloud is also an excellent choice for the seat, and I have seen her impressive work for years.

My apologies didn't mean to imply you did.

Thanks for the info.
 
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