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    Don't mess with Daddies and their daughters--Lethal stupidity!

    Don't mess with Daddies, especially in TX!

    Short story version. Dad heard his little girl crying, went to her and discovered a pervert in the act of sexually assaulting his four year old girl. He pulled the man off her hitting him in the head and the pervert died. No word yet on whether the dad faces charges. I think he should get a medal.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/11/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2

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    Stopping the commission of a violent felony. Sounds like a good idea to me.

    Never having had to stop a child molester in mid-molest, I have no idea how many hits to the head it might take.

    stay safe.
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    As many hits as it takes...

    It is like when a reporter asked that Sheriff in Florida why his deputies shot the armed murderer that had killed one of his deputies like a bazillion times.

    The Sheriff nonchalantly told the reporter it was because that was all the ammo they had.

    Don't mess with my little girl.
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    I like to think there is a special pit in hell for people who molest anyone espically kids. I couldent be happier to hear that he is there now.

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    Well Jesus said that it is better to have a big rock tied around their neck and to be thrown into the ocean than to harm children. So imagine there is.

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    This father should be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

    He certainly has done a huge service to preserve the peace for children in Texas...
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    I have a 4 year old daughter and an 8 month year old daughter, don't **** with my girls.


    +1 for the dad, he did what he had to.

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    I live 2hrs south of there. Judging by Tx law and they way DAs and LEOs look at that sort of thing around here, it will most likely never get to the grand jury. If it does, they will try to award him. With the key to the city perhaps? Good on him. My prayers go out to the little girl and her family as well as the BGs family.

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    Another

    +1

    Hope his daughter is ok.

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    Hey, everybody! Sounds like it is time to trot out Rule 15:

    (15) WE ADVOCATE FOR THE 'LAW-ABIDING' ONLY: Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here. Even if you feel that a law is unconstitutional we do not break it, we repeal it or defeat it in the courts
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    You may not approve of what the guy did, but we need to remember that this site is monitored by folks who love to point out what bloodthirsty and lawless folks gun owners are.

    As reprehensible as sexual abuse of a child is (as compared to sexual abuse of an adult, or an animal?), the alleged perpetrator is entitled under our laws to not being killed unless by the state after a trial and being convicted of the alleged offense. Nothing about loving the sinner while hating the sin or any BS like that. Just looking out for #1 here, who wants those protections and guarantees in case I ever get into trouble (again).

    As for where what's left of him spends eternity? It would please me no end if he were chained to my ex.

    stay safe.
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    Skidmark I appreciate the remark. However this guy did not take him out back tie him to a post and spread honey on his genitals and leave him there to be eaten. He hit him a few times in the head while dragging him off his daughter. If you look at the coverage the man was surprised that perp was died from the few blows he gave him. I see this as no different than a woman who shoots a man trying to sexually assault her. The little girl could not defend herself, her father did. End of story.

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    Thank God the dad came in when he did. Praying that that little girl heals from the mental and emotional trauma she suffered!!!

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    @Skidmark: I don't know the specifics of Texas law, but here in North Carolina one is within the law to use deadly force to stop a rape in progress or to prevent an imminent rape. If Texas law allows for the same, then those here posting their support/agreement with the dad's actions are not advocating unlawful behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanner View Post
    I like to think there is a special pit in hell for people who molest anyone espically kids. I couldent be happier to hear that he is there now.
    I hope so because sometimes it seems sentences for those caught are a joke! Sometimes they are treated like little more than a traffic violation.

    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Hey, everybody! Sounds like it is time to trot out Rule 15:
    Alright I'll bite. Which post advocated an illegal act?

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    I think what Skidmark was trying to say was that any perceived 'glee' at the demise of this sexual predator could be misconstrued by our enemies as a tendency towards bloodthirsty, violent delight. This forum is not private, after all. We know they watch us, so we must be careful what we say, lest we provide ammo to the antis.

    I do not, however, see any legal or moral issue with what the father did. He protected his daughter, and it seems his intent was only to stop the threat, not to kill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPackingMomma View Post
    I think what Skidmark was trying to say was that any perceived 'glee' at the demise of this sexual predator could be misconstrued by our enemies as a tendency towards bloodthirsty, violent delight. This forum is not private, after all. We know they watch us, so we must be careful what we say, lest we provide ammo to the antis.

    I do not, however, see any legal or moral issue with what the father did. He protected his daughter, and it seems his intent was only to stop the threat, not to kill.
    I hear you and don't want anyone to perceive us as "blood thirsty". But I do believe in capital punishment for certain crimes, and I believe in lethal force to stop certain crimes. I'm tickled pink over the outcome of this.

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    Agreed.

    Personally, as a parent, I feel he showed amazing restraint.

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    if this guy did that, then i have no problem with the father stopping the rape with what ever force was necessary.

    but i would like to find out if there is evidence that the molestation happened. at this time i don't have a doubt it did. but i would like to have a hearing on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by MamabearCali View Post
    Well Jesus said that it is better to have a big rock tied around their neck and to be thrown into the ocean than to harm children. So imagine there is.
    Im not advocating for illegal action. Im advocating the bible. Children are born into sin but retain their inocense....... What this guy did was, is and always will be unforgivable. People like him would most likely get a slap on the wrist. But get arrested with a controlled substance which (in my opinion) has an equal detremental effect on the mind and you could be spending the rest of your days in prison.

    P.S I have honestly never used a controlled substance myself but have seen first hand the effects of it. I would consider booz to be the more dangerous of the two. AGAIN my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanner View Post
    Im not advocating for illegal action. Im advocating the bible. Children are born into sin but retain their inocense....... What this guy did was, is and always will be unforgivable. People like him would most likely get a slap on the wrist. But get arrested with a controlled substance which (in my opinion) has an equal detremental effect on the mind and you could be spending the rest of your days in prison.

    P.S I have honestly never used a controlled substance myself but have seen first hand the effects of it. I would consider booz to be the more dangerous of the two. AGAIN my opinion
    Oh, I would not want someone to misconstrue that verse to say we should give rapists cement shoes. But in God's eyes and his justice system (which never fails) you hurt kids, you are in for a world of trouble. God's justice never misses it's mark. Now I don't dispense God's justice, of course, but He does.

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    So if I see someone raping someone and I shoot them to stop it and hit them in the leg causing them to stop, but since I didn't kill him with the first shot I decide to shoot him again I decide to shoot him again, it would be a good kill. Yup, that's what I'm seeing here.

    By the way, where does it say he only hit him a few times like some are saying? What the guy who died did was very very very wrong, but I have a hard time saying that a killing was needed to stop it. Or is someone going to tell me the guy just wouldn't stop until he actually died? If I were to do double shots like I started with, people would be all over me. Hell, at least a second shot to the head would be a more impulse style killing since it only takes a second to pull a trigger...while it takes how long to hit someone time after time until they are dead.

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    I have a little girl who is almost 4 years old. In all honesty, if I walked in on someone raping her, considering that I carry everywhere I legally can, I would shoot the rapist, and I would do it without remorse.

    I'm not talking about finding out about it after the fact & hunting someone down, which would most definitely be unlawful. I'm talking about walking in on a rape in-progress.

    If it offends anyone's sensibilities that I would lawfully use deadly force to protect my little girl from a piece of human trash who is actively molesting her, then you can piss-off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohawk001 View Post
    So if I see someone raping someone and I shoot them to stop it and hit them in the leg causing them to stop, but since I didn't kill him with the first shot I decide to shoot him again I decide to shoot him again, it would be a good kill. Yup, that's what I'm seeing here.

    By the way, where does it say he only hit him a few times like some are saying? What the guy who died did was very very very wrong, but I have a hard time saying that a killing was needed to stop it. Or is someone going to tell me the guy just wouldn't stop until he actually died? If I were to do double shots like I started with, people would be all over me. Hell, at least a second shot to the head would be a more impulse style killing since it only takes a second to pull a trigger...while it takes how long to hit someone time after time until they are dead.

    Correct me if im wrong but do police shoot to wound? Or do they shoot to kill? I think they are trained to kill. Ive never seen them shoot a target depicting a leg or arm. If the situation is bad enough to draw your weapon its bad enough to pull the trigger. Any thing worth doing once is worth doing twice. However I will use someones quote "45 ACP because pulling the trigger twice is silly" My point. To stop this violent crime violence was used. Any one must accept death as a possible outcome of getting caught in the act of commiting such crime. This goes without saying that death is not always the fair punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mohawk001 View Post
    So if I see someone raping someone and I shoot them to stop it and hit them in the leg causing them to stop, but since I didn't kill him with the first shot I decide to shoot him again I decide to shoot him again, it would be a good kill. Yup, that's what I'm seeing here.

    By the way, where does it say he only hit him a few times like some are saying? What the guy who died did was very very very wrong, but I have a hard time saying that a killing was needed to stop it. Or is someone going to tell me the guy just wouldn't stop until he actually died? If I were to do double shots like I started with, people would be all over me. Hell, at least a second shot to the head would be a more impulse style killing since it only takes a second to pull a trigger...while it takes how long to hit someone time after time until they are dead.
    Well first off you need better training if you hit him in the leg. Center of mass hits are SOP. So if you hit him in the leg and he stops raping (your four year old daughter who is screaming on the floor) you had better be sure he does not have a weapon to return your fire and is not a good fighter himself. Or else you and your daughter could easily be dead. Additionally if he hit him in the leg and he bleeds out from his femoral artery are you going to be sad and turn yourself in for murder? It takes only one hard hit to the wrong place on the head to kill a man. It does not take mutilple hits, one or two good hits can easily kill. That is why fist fights are still really dangerous.


    As for the law in the state of TX you are permitted to use lethal force in these situations.

    PC §9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A
    person is justified in using deadly force against another:
    (1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
    (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
    (A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
    (B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger View Post
    I have a little girl who is almost 4 years old. In all honesty, if I walked in on someone raping her, considering that I carry everywhere I legally can, I would shoot the rapist, and I would do it without remorse.

    I'm not talking about finding out about it after the fact & hunting someone down, which would most definitely be unlawful. I'm talking about walking in on a rape in-progress.

    If it offends anyone's sensibilities that I would lawfully use deadly force to protect my little girl from a piece of human trash who is actively molesting her, then you can piss-off.

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    I completely agree. My little girl is the center of my universe and I wouldn't hesitate to draw and fire.

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