Magickallife
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OK... This is just me....... I'd file 42 USC 1983 NOW, no talking, against the two criminals and dry hump them in federal court till their noses bleed. The supervisor cussing them out and telling them to give you your gun back and let you go is proof they were in the wrong.
Again this is just me (and I realize you had had family there and didn't want any more hassle) but I would have put my gun back on and dared the @hole to take me to jail, it would only increase the damage award.
Approximately 3:30pm Tuesday the 12th.
I was walking up to the outside window of the snack bar/ concession stand to order food for myself and my family (fiance' and two yr old son ) I was approached by Park Ranger Nathan Zimmerman, and Deputy Sheriff Larry D. Powers. both of hamilton county.
I was immediately asked why I had a Gun, I replied It is my right to do so, and I have been open carrying for over 6yrs. They proceeded to tell me that I was breeaking the Law because I was in a County/State Park, The Sheriff I believe had his gun out (Not Aimed at me though) While the Park Ranger hopped over the rail and put me against a wall, I stated several times that I did not consent to any searches of my person or property Including a serial # Search of my firearm. The Seized my weapon from me, and the Ranger did not even know how to remove my weapon from my retention "Blackhawk" holster, so he was jerking on it hard multiple times, and nor did he know how to De-Cock my loaded weapon. He made me walk over to their cars, Of course I'm humiliated by this point, I'm not doing anything Illegal. while they had my firearm and told me they were keeping it for evidence, they wanted my ID so I obliged and told them that even though I did not have to give it to them, I would, and did. They ran me ran my serial# on my gun, and told me he was keeping it for evidence. Then the Ranger began telling me He was going to have to take me “downtown” Until about a half hour more than the 15 mins at the concession stand window in front of my friends and family, (Both of my friends were CCW Concealed Carry not ten yds from me the whole time) 30 minutes waiting later their superiors told them to let me go, they had to do so, BUT upon returning my firearm to me they made me empty all rounds and lock it in my car, telling me if I were to bring it back out Id be going to jail!!("DownTown")
how do i go about an open records request and on what or whom would i need it on?
If you have multiple witnesses and the names of the perps file a FOIA, formal complaint and then see if your lawyer has any ideas on what criminal charges could be filed against the perps.
Buy a recording device.
Would someone please tell me why people think that a title 42 suit is the answer? Usually people that recommend title 42 suits have never been through one. If they have they would not recommend a title 42 suit.
I have started one; when the sheriff found out he called me and we came to an agreement, it was a relativity minor thing but still his office (this is the way it has always been done since before I took office) policy was a violation which he agreed to change.
I too have been a plaintiff in a title 42 suit. But, why spend $350 filing fee if it's not necessary. You were lucky the sheriff did not want to deal with an issue that could be simply resolved. In other words it was not cost effective. Go read http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?101376-Vandalia-LEO-Encounter Vandalia, Ohio. All done without a threat of a law suit.
UPDATE:
So far the district supervisor for Hamilton County Sheriffs', a Lt., has promised to send out memos to all his sheriffs' on the open carry legality and how to handle future situations, aHe also stated he will send me a copy of it as well. He agreed that I was doing nothing illegal, I was humiliated for no reason, he stated there was no file open and no police report made, and his Deputy would be made to apologise personally in person to me and my wife, for the humiliation of being at gun point drawn up against a wall, and illegally detained, illegally searched and illegally seized my firearm. He furthermore told me to get a copy of the 911 call I have to call his department of records, which I will do promptly tomorrow when they open at 8am.
As for the Hamilton County Park Rangers, there Lt. also will be sending out a memo to all rangers and sending me a copy of it as well. Also to my knowledge there is no incident report or record of the incident other than a 911 call, which I am awaiting to get ahold of the records department tomorrow.
From: Greg Grimm
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:08 PM
To: Rangers (All)
Subject: Open Carry
Rangers-
On June 6,2012 we had occasion to encounter an individual in possession of an Open Carry firearm at Woodland Mound Park. Open Carry is legal statewide in Ohio, Park District By-Laws do not apply to all aspects of Open Carry. The Weapons in the Park by-law is under review and subject to revision to further clarify Open Carry. In encounters with citizens legally carrying, personal and public safety is priority. While Open Carry in and of itself is not PC, the situation may warrant officer action.
The individual from WMP implied that the group may host several picnics at WoodlandMoundPark. The group also plans to expand to have gatherings in other parks.
Please call me if you have any questions,
Lt.Grimm