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    Birmingham open carry protest trending on MSN

    this is now attracting attention and comments from around the country
    http://now.msn.com/now/0612-gun-toting-protest?_p=5dcf46ca-6f68-4ea9-8d4f-b21cf590c946&_nwpt=1
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    jump into the comments section and elevate the conversation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    this is now attracting attention and comments from around the country
    http://now.msn.com/now/0612-gun-toting-protest?_p=5dcf46ca-6f68-4ea9-8d4f-b21cf590c946&_nwpt=1
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    It's the number 3 result on Bing for "open carry".
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    That's the kind of coverage we need. One of the best OC, and gun articles I have read.

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    the author was very friendly and spent quit a while there. this article was great as well:
    http://troy.patch.com/articles/open-...photo-10283051
    the author of it was really nice and she's a gun owner!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    the author was very friendly and spent quit a while there. this article was great as well:
    http://troy.patch.com/articles/open-...photo-10283051
    the author of it was really nice and she's a gun owner!
    Yep, she has a pistol and said that she should have worn it... OC... to the event. She also was inquiring where a good place would be to take the training for her CPL. However, she did reluctantly state that she would probably CC rather than OC. My response was that it's all "babysteps"... and once she gets the CPL she may change her mind. She WAS interested in the fact that by OCing, she could carry the pistol in most of the CC prohibited areas.
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    “A young man, walking the streets of Birmingham where large numbers of young people congregate well after dark with no legitimate stated reason for transporting a loaded weapon means the defendant could only have been walking with the gun in that position so that people would see it. It could only been his intent that other pedestrians and motorists should see the gun, which is tantamount to brandishing the weapon within the common usage of that term.”

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    “Defendant never stated to police that he was engaged in any legitimate activity with the gun. He never said he was hunting, or had just purchased the gun and was transporting it home, or that he had just had it serviced, or that he was taking the gun to be repaired, or that he was engaged in target practice,” she writes.
    Guess she has never heard that carrying a firearm for Self-Protection is a legitimate activity. Furthermore, I guess she has never heard that Carrying a Firearm can be seen as a Political Statement and therefore is Protected as Free Speech. Maybe someone should forward The April 2009 LEAF Newsletter to Mary Kucharek (the prosecuting attorney):

    http://www.mml.org/insurance/shared/...er/2009_04.pdf
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    “The right to keep and bear arms is not absolute for all persons and under all conditions and circumstances,” Kucharek writes. “Neither does the Second Amendment grant a person some mysterious immunity from any reasonable inquiry by law enforcement in asserting its legitimate desire to maintain the peace and protect the public.”

    In 2008, we had a meeting in Berkley, discussing course of action for this community. dougwg, to his lasting credit, predicted it'd be 5 years before we'd be ready to take on the long gun issue. 5 years later, or perhaps 4, depending on how you want to count, the fascinating thing is not only that he was right, but that the line of bull **** remains the same from the antis, even after all we've accomplished with getting the public at large to understand the issues we've brought to light.

    In terms of the brandishing charge, we've discussed this in the past, well before this case began, and I do believe that the things he may or may not have said during the stop will be what sinks or saves him. Cops, or perhaps in some cases pigs would be a better term, can be all together too good and leading a victim into saying something they didn't in any way mean, but will have a hell of a hard time taking back in court. Contrary to what this bill of rights hater kucharek says, shutting up with the cops is a very good and very important thing.
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    Okay here is where her argument falls apart. On June 11th 2012 approx. 30 armed people gathered with full knowledge of the police and atleast half had the exact same items slung on their shoulders that generated the brandishing charge against mr. Combs. Yet not one of them was asked a single question by the police as they walked about town and then to the police station / city hall. So how could what he did be called bradishing?

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    My opinion...

    To an anti gunner just seeing a gun is offensive.. and anything offensive must be an ostentatious "in their face" intentional intimidating insult.

    Therefor... it must be "brandishing" because, they are personally intimidated, insulted, and offended.

    And because it is a personal affront to the anti gunners fragile elitist ego... the intent of the person carrying the gun is immaterial and unimportant. What is of paramount importance is the anti gunner is................... insulted and offended.

    Egad..... just that small peek into the anti gunner perspective gave me a headache..........

    Please allow me to quote my own signature line. Please note how the bold parts make their own statement.

    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.
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    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Question The Judge will decide (Wed.) 6/20/2012 if the case goes forward or not...

    48th District Court
    4280 Telegraph Road
    Bloomfield Hills, MI 48302

    Does anyone know when the hearing starts tomorrow? I would like to attend but not waste the entire day as the court hours are 8:30am to 4:30pm.

    Thanks for any info.

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    “A government that does not trust it’s law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust.” James Madison.

    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.” “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.” George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDinDetroit View Post
    Guess she has never heard that carrying a firearm for Self-Protection is a legitimate activity.
    Indeed, it's spelled out very clearly in black and white right in the SOM Constitution:
    § 6 Bearing of arms.
    Sec. 6. Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the
    state.
    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...nstitution.pdf

    Perhaps she has misplaced her copy?

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    Looks like it's still going forward, "Rifle-Carrying Teen Going to Trial After Judge Denies Motion to Dismiss Birmingham Case ".

    http://birmingham.patch.com/articles...irmingham-case

    Sean Combs, the Troy 18-year-old arrested in April after he was found carrying a loaded rifle through downtown Birmingham, will be taking his case to trial.

    At an evidentiary hearing Wednesday at 48th District Court, Judge Marc Barron denied a motion to dismiss the three charges against Combs, submitted by his attorney James Makowski.

    Barron set a jury pre-trial for 1:30 p.m. July 9, with the jury trial set to begin at 8:30 a.m. July 11.
    ETA: Put this date, 7/11, on your calendar, it's the same date as the CADL vs MOC appeal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoonDog View Post
    Looks like it's still going forward, "Rifle-Carrying Teen Going to Trial After Judge Denies Motion to Dismiss Birmingham Case ".

    http://birmingham.patch.com/articles...irmingham-case



    ETA: Put this date, 7/11, on your calendar, it's the same date as the CADL vs MOC appeal.


    Holy crap! That's either going to be an awesome day or a REALLY pissy one....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoonDog View Post
    Looks like it's still going forward, "Rifle-Carrying Teen Going to Trial After Judge Denies Motion to Dismiss Birmingham Case ".

    http://birmingham.patch.com/articles...irmingham-case



    ETA: Put this date, 7/11, on your calendar, it's the same date as the CADL vs MOC appeal.
    How much you want to bet that's no coincidence?
    Last edited by Small_Arms_Collector; 06-21-2012 at 05:52 PM.

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    The city council said it's in the court system now so it's out of their hands.

    I say BS.

    It's in the city prosecutors hands and his boss IS THE CITY COUNCIL.

    Pressure the city council to get the prosecutor to DROP THE CHARGES!

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