• We are now running on a new, and hopefully much-improved, server. In addition we are also on new forum software. Any move entails a lot of technical details and I suspect we will encounter a few issues as the new server goes live. Please be patient with us. It will be worth it! :) Please help by posting all issues here.
  • The forum will be down for about an hour this weekend for maintenance. I apologize for the inconvenience.
  • If you are having trouble seeing the forum then you may need to clear your browser's DNS cache. Click here for instructions on how to do that
  • Please review the Forum Rules frequently as we are constantly trying to improve the forum for our members and visitors.

Why are advocates for OC disliked so much?

porterhouse83

Regular Member
Joined
Apr 13, 2012
Messages
145
Location
Wheat Ridge Colorado
The conceal carry crowd really dislikes our method of carry. Isn't the 2nd a right no matter how you decide excercise is? I like their argument that we do it for attention. That's all I ever hear.
 
H

Herr Heckler Koch

Guest
"Why are advocates for OC disliked so much? "

Training is typically a requirement for the privilege of concealment and a whole industry has arisen to provide it, complete with a national advocacy, lobbyists, and brainwashed troops that are paid for each elite trained concealed weapons carrier trained.
 

GRIFFIN GUN & SECURITY

Regular Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2012
Messages
12
Location
Calhoun County, MS
Everyone should carry

Everyone that can legally own and carry a gun should do so. I hold an Enhanced CCW permit but I do not dislike Open carry or Open Carriers. I do believe everyone should get training on basic handgun skills. I thought before I took all the firearms training that I now have, that I could be prepared in nearly any situation to use my handgun effectively, I was wrong. The CCW removes the obstacle of the "concealed in part" problem with a holstered gun and the "Enhancement" on my permit allows me to carry "ANYWHERE" except; a court room during judicial proceedings, any place of nuisance where the illegal sale of drugs or illegal prostitution is offered, any police, Sheriff or Highway Patrol station or any detention facility prison or jail, or any federal property. Any other place that is listed off limits with the regular CCW is considered legal to carry with the Enhanced CCW, even if they have a no weapons/guns sign posted. I carry openly on the job during bodyguard or security work, but I prefer concealed the rest of the time. The main reason being, let's say you are in a conveince store and a perp comes in with the intent to rob the place and see's you with your gun on your hip, the first thing he is going to do is disarm you or shoot you before you have time to draw your weapon. However if you are carrying concealed you most likely will have an opportunity to get the drop on him and save someone's life, maybe your own. However if everybody that could open carry would do so, criminals would be very reluctant to rob a place or try any funny business at all with everybody packing heat on their side.
 
H

Herr Heckler Koch

Guest
The main reason being, let's say you are in a conveince store and a perp comes in with the intent to rob the place and see's you with your gun on your hip, the first thing he is going to do is disarm you or shoot you before you have time to draw your weapon.
Aww Geezee, not this again!
 

Tanner

Regular Member
Joined
May 10, 2012
Messages
474
Location
Chesterfield, Virginia, United States
For the CCers who do dislike OCer I think it is simple. They feel that they have something that we dont. Its a macho thing. Subliminal if you will. I have it and he dosent because he isent as good as me. If I were allowed to carry consealed I probably would just throw my shirt over my firearm. Carrying on my hip is comfy and like cloths why wear anything uncomfortable? Because it make other people scared. Scared of what? A person walking down the street with a gun on his hip is no more likely to shoot someone as would a person walking with a cane be likely to hit someone. I think we should require permits for canes! At the end of the day a CCer has one thing we OCers do not. A permit that allows us to do something we are already allowed to do.

All this being said since I am worried that my shirt may oneday cover my gun on accident I will eventually get a CHP but still OC. I dont really think people who CC are against OC. This is a generalization. Rather I think some people are just A-HOLES.
 
Last edited:

Truckdriver1975

Regular Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2012
Messages
56
Location
Lansing, MI
The CC v OC is just like a bunch of politicians bickering back and forth. The anti OC crowd says we'll be shot first, we'll be targeted for our gun, we scare people, we put their gun rights at risk, and a bunch of other crap. I understand some of their points but they won't acknowledge the flip-side. They may be targeted because they appear to be a soft target. They may lose precious time drawing from under a cover garment or fumble with the tiny double action pocket pistol. We all have valid reasons for our chosen method. I support and practice both, sometimes simultaneously. A snubby in the support side pocket would give me the beloved element of surprise against a gun grab.
 

carsontech

Activist Member
Joined
Apr 7, 2011
Messages
529
Location
Anderson, SC
let's say you are in a conveince store and a perp comes in with the intent to rob the place and see's you with your gun on your hip, the first thing he is going to do is disarm you or shoot you before you have time to draw your weapon. However if you are carrying concealed you most likely will have an opportunity to get the drop on him and save someone's life, maybe your own.

You make me laugh, I like you. :lol:
 

GRIFFIN GUN & SECURITY

Regular Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2012
Messages
12
Location
Calhoun County, MS
I'm for both.

The CC v OC is just like a bunch of politicians bickering back and forth. The anti OC crowd says we'll be shot first, we'll be targeted for our gun, we scare people, we put their gun rights at risk, and a bunch of other crap. I understand some of their points but they won't acknowledge the flip-side. They may be targeted because they appear to be a soft target. They may lose precious time drawing from under a cover garment or fumble with the tiny double action pocket pistol. We all have valid reasons for our chosen method. I support and practice both, sometimes simultaneously. A snubby in the support side pocket would give me the beloved element of surprise against a gun grab.


I wish every law abiding citizen would OC because there would be far less crime. I sometimes OC and I always CC. Even when I Open Carry, I always have at least 2 concealed handguns on me, along with my blade and a couple of extra mags. As for me Concealed Carrying and being viewed as an easy target, that's OK with me. I don't want to postpone a criminal from doing what he already has planned and just causing him to wait until I've left, coming back later or going somewhere else to commit his crime because he saw my gun. It is better to get it over with while there is someone there that has an opportunity to stop a criminal act. They need to be apprehended or stopped before they have a chance to terrorize, hurt or kill someone. I highly doubt that just because they see me with a gun on my side that they are going to repent from their life of crime and start going to church on Sunday. We need criminals off the street, period. But whether you choose to OC or CC, just Carry wherever and whenever you can.
 

Steeler-gal

Regular Member
Joined
Oct 29, 2011
Messages
560
Location
Fairfax County, VA
.
The main reason being, let's say you are in a conveince store and a perp comes in with the intent to rob the place and see's you with your gun on your hip, the first thing he is going to do is disarm you or shoot you before you have time to draw your weapon. However if you are carrying concealed you most likely will have an opportunity to get the drop on him and save someone's life, maybe your own. However if everybody that could open carry would do so, criminals would be very reluctant to rob a place or try any funny business at all with everybody packing heat on their side.

I've seen this rationale posted before. Are there any stats on the number of times a Bad Guy tried to disarm someone with a gun on their hip? I just don't see that happening and almost never see news on it.

Seems like a dumb argument.



========================
NRA Certified Instructor & Range Safety Officer
========================
NRA Certified Instructor & Range Safety Officer
Teaching Classes in Lorton VA & Springfield VA
PM me if you need a class, RSO or safety briefing
 

GRIFFIN GUN & SECURITY

Regular Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2012
Messages
12
Location
Calhoun County, MS
I'm all for OC.

Amen to that......kind of funny i was just in this situation and they didn't disarm me !!!!!! they saw my weapon and headed for the door like roaches when the light turns on. so the thinking of being a target by the BG is more that crap

I'm not arguing against OC, I simply stated a reason why I don't OC all the time. I am all for OC, please do. It's simply a matter of preference and I prefer not to OC all the time, but I do CC all the time. I have trained drawing each of my weapons from various carry positions and am quite proficient at either and I have no doubts that if I needed to retrieve my weapon and fire quickly and accurately I could do so without any problems. So I hope everyone can see that I am PRO OC as well as PRO CC, either one is good so do whichever you feel confortable with or prefer, or do both, like I do much of the time. :)
 

Tanner

Regular Member
Joined
May 10, 2012
Messages
474
Location
Chesterfield, Virginia, United States
I think you are missing the point. If I may. Its kind like you are saying I love you but im not in love with you. You have said you support OC but go on to explain why you CC most of the time. And being new to OC my self I can already tell that the whole "your the target" or "the gun could be taken from you" argument is tired. And it appears to be unfounded with all but one offical incident.
 

hermannr

Regular Member
Joined
Mar 24, 2011
Messages
2,327
Location
Okanogan Highland
Everyone that can legally own and carry a gun should do so. I hold an Enhanced CCW permit but I do not dislike Open carry or Open Carriers. I do believe everyone should get training on basic handgun skills. I thought before I took all the firearms training that I now have, that I could be prepared in nearly any situation to use my handgun effectively, I was wrong. The CCW removes the obstacle of the "concealed in part" problem with a holstered gun and the "Enhancement" on my permit allows me to carry "ANYWHERE" except; a court room during judicial proceedings, any place of nuisance where the illegal sale of drugs or illegal prostitution is offered, any police, Sheriff or Highway Patrol station or any detention facility prison or jail, or any federal property. Any other place that is listed off limits with the regular CCW is considered legal to carry with the Enhanced CCW, even if they have a no weapons/guns sign posted. I carry openly on the job during bodyguard or security work, but I prefer concealed the rest of the time. The main reason being, let's say you are in a conveince store and a perp comes in with the intent to rob the place and see's you with your gun on your hip, the first thing he is going to do is disarm you or shoot you before you have time to draw your weapon. However if you are carrying concealed you most likely will have an opportunity to get the drop on him and save someone's life, maybe your own. However if everybody that could open carry would do so, criminals would be very reluctant to rob a place or try any funny business at all with everybody packing heat on their side.

Yes see, there is training, and then there is "government mandated and required training"...different stuff, even if you go to the same class.

In my state, you can get your CPL and conceal, without any of that "government mandated and required" training, or you can OC under the same conditions. Guess what? We don't have a problem here...and we have plenty of employed firearms trainers too...why, because we believe in personal responsibility...anything that makes CC better than OC is BS...a CPL is good in Winter when you have to wear a coat, or when you go to purchase your next pistol (no wait)...that is about it.
 

gobbly

Regular Member
Joined
May 28, 2012
Messages
75
Location
Utah
CCers hate the OCers? I don't recall being interviewed...

No wonder I hate myself so much...
 
Last edited:
Top