jdholmes
Regular Member
Yes. Default requires little and is quite restricted. Enhanced is for the elites, requires extensive training and has few restrictions. No shiite.
This obviously only applies to some states and sounds ridiculous.
Yes. Default requires little and is quite restricted. Enhanced is for the elites, requires extensive training and has few restrictions. No shiite.
let's say you are in a conveince store and a perp comes in with the intent to rob the place and see's you with your gun on your hip, the first thing he is going to do is disarm you or shoot you before you have time to draw your weapon.
The conceal carry crowd really dislikes our method of carry. Isn't the 2nd a right no matter how you decide excercise is? I like their argument that we do it for attention. That's all I ever hear.
CCers hate the OCers? I don't recall being interviewed...
No wonder I hate myself so much...
It's all about elitism, machismo and MONEY.
CC is a privilege in most jurisdictions, and getting a permit costs a LOT of money. People who CC have spent a lot of money (often several hundred dollars) to get a permit. When they see people OCing, they realize that they have been ripped off, and instead of being angry with themselves or their legislators, they project their own self-loathing toward us...
And also, CC is BIG BUSINESS. CC certification classes are a multi-million dollar industry in the US, as is the sale of CC gear (holsters, etc). Some of the most vocal and angry critics of OC are CC instructors.
Just sayin'...
I find that many people in my part of the country (VA, WV, PA, NC) seems to actually like and appreciate OCers. I get a LOT of positive comments and questions in NC, VA and WV when I OC there, and I have never once had a negative comment, in over 3 years of OC.
I live in MD now, where carry in ANY mode is essentialyl impossible unless you are wealthy or well-connected. I still TALK about OC and CC, and I'm active in the pro-2A movement here, contacting my state reps and testifying before the General Assembly on gun rights-related bills when I can. AndI'll admit the attitudes here among the citizenry are VASTLY different about defensive carry than just a few miles to the north, west or south (PA, WV or VA). I have actually had several people tell me that they think that anyone who would want to carry is insane. And to that sort of mentality, there is no response. You can't argue with stupid...
So out of, oh, say 10,000 OC-ers, maybe 1 will have his gun stripped and be shot, so for a 1 in 10,000 chance you don't advocate OC-ing? (the real numbers might be 1 in a million).
Your scenario is only going to work if the person OC-ing is asleep. You are saying that a BG is going to be able to walk the distance to the person, walk around them to their strong side, put their hand on the gun, disengage the retention and shoot the person before they can draw the weapon? Have you timed such an event? You're talking about 10 seconds to come in the store, get to the person, go to his side, grasp the gun, release the retention and draw faster than a person WEARING the firearm can pull it out?
That's nonsense. How can you operate a 'gun and security' biz with such silly notions?
In fact, at least half the people OC-ing are doing so with a buddy. Half of them are wearing black clothing with a high and tight 4:00 wear position with a thumb release retention. Half of them practice drawing and have good SA.
So out of, oh, say 10,000 OC-ers, maybe 1 will have his gun stripped and be shot, so for a 1 in 10,000 chance you don't advocate OC-ing? (the real numbers might be 1 in a million).
"I DO ADVOCATE OC ALONG WITH ANY KIND OF CARRY." And I am quite qualified to run my gun and security business because I have no silly notions thank you very much. I'm glad to see folks Open Carrying, it's wonderful, I don't hate OCer's, not offended by them or anything else, I do both OC and CC. And even though I do both and condone both, it seems to me that it's the people who only OC that has a problem with folks who CC or do both OC and CC in here. I do what I want to do, have my own opinions and I don't force them on anyone else, as should everybody. I'm new here at OpenCarry.org and I'm sure not feeling the love here at the moment, lol.
I'm new here at OpenCarry.org and I'm sure not feeling the love here at the moment, lol.
Just thought it kind of strange that to be coming into a forum full of gun lovin' carriers like myself, that there seems to be quite a bit of friction instead of like mindedness going on, lol.
Just thought it kind of strange that to be coming into a forum full of gun lovin' carriers like myself, that there seems to be quite a bit of friction instead of like mindedness going on, lol.
I do what I want to do, have my own opinions
Just thought it kind of strange that to be coming into a forum full of gun lovin' carriers like myself, that there seems to be quite a bit of friction instead of like mindedness going on, lol.
Thats what im sayin! that is exactly my point!
Being a gun lover doesn't exactly mean we're all brothers and sisters of the same mindset. Lots of folks here have VERY differing opinions.
Yeah but gun rights is something we for the most part agree on.
______________________There is often a progression. People go from a gun in the home or hunting to concealed carry, to open carry. Each step takes a little more confidence and guts.
People who have not yet gotten to the point of being confident enough to open carry sometimes resent being reminded of it.
Open carriers show that they are willing to put themselves on the line to restore Constitutional rights. They are willing to face official disapproval to show that the people, and not the state, are still supreme. Many are not yet at that level of courage and will.
It's a forum, not a feel good club. Granted, we are generally a little tough on new folks, but it helps weed out those with skin thin. If you can cut it, it's a good place to learn.
Just thought it kind of strange that to be coming into a forum full of gun lovin' carriers like myself, that there seems to be quite a bit of friction instead of like mindedness going on, lol.