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    What is Obama asserting privilege over? He's said repeatedly that he knows nothing and that there's nothing to see here. This was a stupid move strategically. Obama has now all but admitted that there was an illegal gun running scheme. There can be no other reason for him to assert privilege. I'm sure a shredding party is going on as we speak. A far better tactic would have been to claim there's nothing to see and dare Issa to prove otherwise. Unless he was willing to go all in and have armed agents raid Holder's offices and forcibly obtain the documents the Republic is over. Our President has become Dictator, who can ignore Congress and implement law as he sees fit.

    Unfortunately, the Republicans do not control the Senate because if there were an impeachment they could execute discovery on Obama. If you and your lawyer conspire to commit a crime, lawyer/client privilege does not apply. A similar principle should apply here.

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    I see the usual attempts at diversion, obfuscation and re-direction are still in effect... LOL!

    Obama panicked. Invoking Exec Priv identifies the President directly... eliminating prior suspicion. Obama put himself in the mix of this operation with this screw-up. An 'Ooops' moment. An amaturish mistake. Obama's not as smart as he thinks he is. 'Less when pressed. This is grounds for a subpoena to Barry O.


    Amazing to watch the acceptance/condemnation of criminaility along party lines... and the abject stupidity of the acceptors and their supporters. Denial runs deep.

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    We need to stop pussyfooting around with these silly "contempt" charges, and get down to the heart of the matter. The simple fact is that the highest offices of our Executive and Judicial branches are both guilty of violating several sections of 18 USC Chapter 115. Congress needs to grow a pair, and proceed under the guidelines delineated in this section of the US Code, with regard to investigation, sanction, and punishment...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    A couple of words you used that are interesting: Homeboy; Darkest time--you have a slight racial bent in this whole matter. Not stating that your bias is likely rooted in the fact that a African American is in the White House, but this type of nonsense bubbles from some place.
    There's a African American in the White House?!? OMG!!! I thought they had all been converted to "black" in the late 1960's, and then transformed into African-Americans in the 1990's. So one got away, did he? Does he work for our mixed-race/multi-ethnic White/African-american President? One must wonder how he managed to escape the mandatory re-identification process...

    Homeboy = pal, buddy, chum, friend, comrade, etc. And nobody owns the word "dark" in any of it's variations (with one exception). I'm surprised that you apparently took offense at MAC702's use of these terms, since the chances are excellent that nobody had paid any attention to it at all, until you made an issue of it. "Seek and ye shall find." If you are dedicated, and search for something long enough, you will begin to see it everywhere. Does the phrase, "It takes one to know one", ring any bells?
    The cavalier distribution of labels of that type, tends to discredit both parties, and raises the question: "Who is actually the racist?" Nowhere in the Bill of Rights does it give any of us the right not to be offended. Pax...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    ... I'm surprised that you apparently took offense at MAC702's use of these terms,...
    Just for the record, it wasn't me that used them. I just jumped in to defend the use of them. I don't remember who did, either. It gets lost easily after the first quote. No worries, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    We need to stop pussyfooting around with these silly "contempt" charges, and get down to the heart of the matter. The simple fact is that the highest offices of our Executive and Judicial branches are both guilty of violating several sections of 18 USC Chapter 115. Congress needs to grow a pair, and proceed under the guidelines delineated in this section of the US Code, with regard to investigation, sanction, and punishment...
    +10^10^10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    They have no obligation to turn the documents over.
    Your lack of comprehension regarding Congressional authority and the checks and balances of our tricameral system is surpassed only by that of Obama's lack of understanding about just about everything.

    Contempt of Congress is a "misdemeanor" and is therefore an impeachable offense.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. They both protect the rest, but only if you exercise them both.

    Nothing in this post is to be misconstrued as "advice" of any kind. It is merely my opinion.

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    Hoodwinked? Try reading.

    For those of you who're incapable of understanding U.S. Law on your own, here's something to get you started.

    To wit: "But even when the privilege is applicable, it is qualified and can be overcome when Congress demonstrates it has a substantial need for the information it seeks. In this case, Congress is seeking relevant information from the Justice Department, which it has been trying to obtain for more than a year.

    "At every turn, Attorney General Eric Holder has stonewalled and obstructed congressional investigators. He is withholding thousands of pertinent documents, using an internal investigation as cover. It was because of Holder’s persistent refusal to cooperate that Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., threatened to hold him in contempt.

    "At the last minute, President Obama, who had claimed from the outset that he had no prior knowledge of the operation, asserted the privilege on Holder’s behalf, as only the president can invoke this important privilege."

    "What possible legitimate basis – national security or otherwise – does Obama have to deprive Congress of the requested information? This is an arrogant and lawless cover-up that appears calculated to buy this administration time until after the November election. Republicans should not back down. Though it acts like it, this defiant administration is not above the law."

    Perhaps those around here who're so quick to arrogantly and flippantly mimic their Dear Leader won't be so quick to post "sniggers" when Obama and Holder are in prison for their many crimes against our country.

    Given the sad state of overly political correctness and lack of resolve throughout Congress and the Supreme Court, and by progressive/socialist/Marxist/communist design, that'll likely never happen. The best we can hope for is that those over whose eyes the wool has been pulled finally take a look at the clue bird that's been crapping on their shoulder and grown a brain.

    As P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute." Fortunately, naivety can be overcome through education. Sadly, too few blind followers of Obama and other ear-tickling progressives possess enough genuine knowledge of political history and are thus incapable of recognizing, much less admitting their folly.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. They both protect the rest, but only if you exercise them both.

    Nothing in this post is to be misconstrued as "advice" of any kind. It is merely my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    For those of you who're incapable of understanding U.S. Law on your own, here's something to get you started.

    To wit: "But even when the privilege is applicable, it is qualified and can be overcome when Congress demonstrates it has a substantial need for the information it seeks. In this case, Congress is seeking relevant information from the Justice Department, which it has been trying to obtain for more than a year.

    "At every turn, Attorney General Eric Holder has stonewalled and obstructed congressional investigators. He is withholding thousands of pertinent documents, using an internal investigation as cover. It was because of Holder’s persistent refusal to cooperate that Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., threatened to hold him in contempt.

    "At the last minute, President Obama, who had claimed from the outset that he had no prior knowledge of the operation, asserted the privilege on Holder’s behalf, as only the president can invoke this important privilege."

    "What possible legitimate basis – national security or otherwise – does Obama have to deprive Congress of the requested information? This is an arrogant and lawless cover-up that appears calculated to buy this administration time until after the November election. Republicans should not back down. Though it acts like it, this defiant administration is not above the law."

    Perhaps those around here who're so quick to arrogantly and flippantly mimic their Dear Leader won't be so quick to post "sniggers" when Obama and Holder are in prison for their many crimes against our country.

    Given the sad state of overly political correctness and lack of resolve throughout Congress and the Supreme Court, and by progressive/socialist/Marxist/communist design, that'll likely never happen. The best we can hope for is that those over whose eyes the wool has been pulled finally take a look at the clue bird that's been crapping on their shoulder and grown a brain.

    As P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute." Fortunately, naivety can be overcome through education. Sadly, too few blind followers of Obama and other ear-tickling progressives possess enough genuine knowledge of political history and are thus incapable of recognizing, much less admitting their folly.
    In total agreement, put me down as +1! Pax...
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