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FLASH: Obama claims executive privilege over "Fast & Furious" documents;

MAC702

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They have no obligation to turn the documents over. I didn't make the rules. Cheney did this with Enron before it's collapse, and it held-up. As I stated: I don't make the rules.

I get it, President Obama can't do anything right in the eyes of Republicans. Reading people b*tch and moan for nearly four years is one of those things that I enjoy, but I also wonder how a person can have so much complaining inside themselves. You don't like Obama, vote his a$$ out of office--good luck...hmm: Romney 2012! *sniggers*

At least this time, you FINALLY actually contributed to the discussion instead of just throwing out some meaningless banter. I'll assume your comments are factual.

But then, I was also assuming that a Congressional subpoena was an obligation. Why wouldn't it be?

Please don't make the mistake of assuming I support Romney (or Cheney or Bush) or any politician based on party.
 

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They have no obligation to turn the documents over. I didn't make the rules. Cheney did this with Enron before it's collapse, and it held-up. As I stated: I don't make the rules.

I get it, President Obama can't do anything right in the eyes of Republicans. Reading people b*tch and moan for nearly four years is one of those things that I enjoy, but I also wonder how a person can have so much complaining inside themselves. You don't like Obama, vote his a$$ out of office--good luck...hmm: Romney 2012! *sniggers*


Don't use the Enron EP as an example or precedent for this circumstances, you're not comparing apples to apples. Holder isn't exerting EP, King Obama is.

With regards to Cheney, he, who has the privilege, did so on his own behalf. Holder doesn't have that luxury. The key to this is, King Obama is now giving the impression he has known what has been happening, which is opposite of what Holder has indicated in the past.

Is it political, yep! Every administration uses it both ways. So what's your point?

From a constitutional/legality standpoint, this will be an interesting fight. Just my $.02, I have a feeling this will be resolved and will not go to the supreme court for review. Just by chance it does, I think it will fail the EP standard. Just for the record, I didn't think Cheney's would have stood either. :eek:
 
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Greg30-06

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Only someone LOOKING for a racial bent would stop at these words.

"Homeboy" is not racist. It's used by people of all colors to talk about fellows from their own 'hood. Oops, sorry, I mean "neighborhood."

"Darkest time" may be dramatic in regards to our economy, but it is IN NO WAY racist, unless PURPOSELY used that way. I can't read the mind of the writer, but I certainly had no reason to ASSume it wasn't the everyday meaning.

Exactly. You seem to be the racist one. What's the saying" she who smelt it delt it" maybe that's why you feel the need to support him so fiercely. To show others that you are not racist. Just because one person is a"Negro" ad you put it ( which sounds very racist to me) does not make any comments made racist automatically as you seem to think. Booo on you for being racist. I thought this was2012 not 1960
 
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GunClasses.Net

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This is the same Obama who, when he was running for president, attacked the idea of hiding behind executive privilege?

FLASHBACK 2007: Obama Attacked Trying "To Hide Behind Executive Privilege" - YouTube!

If the democrats can be lied to, so can the republicans. Whatever your candidate is telling you today can be total garbage, tomorrow... Ask yourself; does my candidate have a long and solid record of supporting the Constitution? I don't care if he's a 30 year Senator from Texas or a small business owner from Oregon; that's my kind of candidate not only for president, but for senator, congressman, state representative, mayor, or school board member! They don't get to give lip service to upholding the Constitution on inauguration day and then do as they please the rest of their 'service'...
 

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What is Obama asserting privilege over? He's said repeatedly that he knows nothing and that there's nothing to see here. This was a stupid move strategically. Obama has now all but admitted that there was an illegal gun running scheme. There can be no other reason for him to assert privilege. I'm sure a shredding party is going on as we speak. A far better tactic would have been to claim there's nothing to see and dare Issa to prove otherwise. Unless he was willing to go all in and have armed agents raid Holder's offices and forcibly obtain the documents the Republic is over. Our President has become Dictator, who can ignore Congress and implement law as he sees fit.

Unfortunately, the Republicans do not control the Senate because if there were an impeachment they could execute discovery on Obama. If you and your lawyer conspire to commit a crime, lawyer/client privilege does not apply. A similar principle should apply here.
 

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I see the usual attempts at diversion, obfuscation and re-direction are still in effect... LOL!

Obama panicked. Invoking Exec Priv identifies the President directly... eliminating prior suspicion. Obama put himself in the mix of this operation with this screw-up. An 'Ooops' moment. An amaturish mistake. Obama's not as smart as he thinks he is. 'Less when pressed. This is grounds for a subpoena to Barry O.


Amazing to watch the acceptance/condemnation of criminaility along party lines... and the abject stupidity of the acceptors and their supporters. Denial runs deep.

Liberalism really is a mental disorder.
 

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We need to stop pussyfooting around with these silly "contempt" charges, and get down to the heart of the matter. The simple fact is that the highest offices of our Executive and Judicial branches are both guilty of violating several sections of 18 USC Chapter 115. Congress needs to grow a pair, and proceed under the guidelines delineated in this section of the US Code, with regard to investigation, sanction, and punishment...
 

Gil223

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A couple of words you used that are interesting: Homeboy; Darkest time--you have a slight racial bent in this whole matter. Not stating that your bias is likely rooted in the fact that a Negro is in the White House, but this type of nonsense bubbles from some place.

There's a NEGRO in the White House?!? OMG!!! I thought they had all been converted to "black" in the late 1960's, and then transformed into African-Americans in the 1990's. So one got away, did he? Does he work for our mixed-race/multi-ethnic White/African-american President? One must wonder how he managed to escape the mandatory re-identification process... :rolleyes:

Homeboy = pal, buddy, chum, friend, comrade, etc. And nobody owns the word "dark" in any of it's variations (with one exception). I'm surprised that you apparently took offense at MAC702's use of these terms, since the chances are excellent that nobody had paid any attention to it at all, until you made an issue of it. "Seek and ye shall find." If you are dedicated, and search for something long enough, you will begin to see it everywhere. Does the phrase, "It takes one to know one", ring any bells?
The cavalier distribution of labels of that type, tends to discredit both parties, and raises the question: "Who is actually the racist?" Nowhere in the Bill of Rights does it give any of us the right not to be offended. Pax...
 

MAC702

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... I'm surprised that you apparently took offense at MAC702's use of these terms,...

Just for the record, it wasn't me that used them. I just jumped in to defend the use of them. I don't remember who did, either. It gets lost easily after the first quote. No worries, though.
 

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We need to stop pussyfooting around with these silly "contempt" charges, and get down to the heart of the matter. The simple fact is that the highest offices of our Executive and Judicial branches are both guilty of violating several sections of 18 USC Chapter 115. Congress needs to grow a pair, and proceed under the guidelines delineated in this section of the US Code, with regard to investigation, sanction, and punishment...

+10^10^10
 

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They have no obligation to turn the documents over.

Your lack of comprehension regarding Congressional authority and the checks and balances of our tricameral system is surpassed only by that of Obama's lack of understanding about just about everything.

Contempt of Congress is a "misdemeanor" and is therefore an impeachable offense.
 

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Hoodwinked? Try reading.

For those of you who're incapable of understanding U.S. Law on your own, here's something to get you started.

To wit: "But even when the privilege is applicable, it is qualified and can be overcome when Congress demonstrates it has a substantial need for the information it seeks. In this case, Congress is seeking relevant information from the Justice Department, which it has been trying to obtain for more than a year.

"At every turn, Attorney General Eric Holder has stonewalled and obstructed congressional investigators. He is withholding thousands of pertinent documents, using an internal investigation as cover. It was because of Holder’s persistent refusal to cooperate that Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., threatened to hold him in contempt.

"At the last minute, President Obama, who had claimed from the outset that he had no prior knowledge of the operation, asserted the privilege on Holder’s behalf, as only the president can invoke this important privilege."

"What possible legitimate basis – national security or otherwise – does Obama have to deprive Congress of the requested information? This is an arrogant and lawless cover-up that appears calculated to buy this administration time until after the November election. Republicans should not back down. Though it acts like it, this defiant administration is not above the law."

Perhaps those around here who're so quick to arrogantly and flippantly mimic their Dear Leader won't be so quick to post "sniggers" when Obama and Holder are in prison for their many crimes against our country.

Given the sad state of overly political correctness and lack of resolve throughout Congress and the Supreme Court, and by progressive/socialist/Marxist/communist design, that'll likely never happen. The best we can hope for is that those over whose eyes the wool has been pulled finally take a look at the clue bird that's been crapping on their shoulder and grown a brain.

As P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute." Fortunately, naivety can be overcome through education. Sadly, too few blind followers of Obama and other ear-tickling progressives possess enough genuine knowledge of political history and are thus incapable of recognizing, much less admitting their folly.
 

Gil223

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For those of you who're incapable of understanding U.S. Law on your own, here's something to get you started.

To wit: "But even when the privilege is applicable, it is qualified and can be overcome when Congress demonstrates it has a substantial need for the information it seeks. In this case, Congress is seeking relevant information from the Justice Department, which it has been trying to obtain for more than a year.

"At every turn, Attorney General Eric Holder has stonewalled and obstructed congressional investigators. He is withholding thousands of pertinent documents, using an internal investigation as cover. It was because of Holder’s persistent refusal to cooperate that Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., threatened to hold him in contempt.

"At the last minute, President Obama, who had claimed from the outset that he had no prior knowledge of the operation, asserted the privilege on Holder’s behalf, as only the president can invoke this important privilege."

"What possible legitimate basis – national security or otherwise – does Obama have to deprive Congress of the requested information? This is an arrogant and lawless cover-up that appears calculated to buy this administration time until after the November election. Republicans should not back down. Though it acts like it, this defiant administration is not above the law."

Perhaps those around here who're so quick to arrogantly and flippantly mimic their Dear Leader won't be so quick to post "sniggers" when Obama and Holder are in prison for their many crimes against our country.

Given the sad state of overly political correctness and lack of resolve throughout Congress and the Supreme Court, and by progressive/socialist/Marxist/communist design, that'll likely never happen. The best we can hope for is that those over whose eyes the wool has been pulled finally take a look at the clue bird that's been crapping on their shoulder and grown a brain.

As P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute." Fortunately, naivety can be overcome through education. Sadly, too few blind followers of Obama and other ear-tickling progressives possess enough genuine knowledge of political history and are thus incapable of recognizing, much less admitting their folly.

In total agreement, put me down as +1! Pax...
 
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