Reply With Quoteseems like he also forgot how to spell bear.
Mike I think you know exactly what I mean, the atrocities occurred in part to a police state and the sheep complying. All races, color, religions, sexual orientation, mental capacity, etc.Originally Posted by mikestilly
Either he was committing a "crime" and should be arrested or he was not. The ID is a red herring.
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seems like he also forgot how to spell bear.
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Considering this is pretty much exactly what happened, I would say yes, it is definitely possible.
If they wouldn't have arrested him on the spot, they would have known where he lived (from his ID) and they'd assuredly be by later to pick him up
PRECISELY!
The young man lawfully declined to show ID. Then he was wrongfully arrested!
Do not let the molehill that is the former get in your way of seeing the mountain that is the latter, folks!
The authorities, some media, and many comments online are trying ferociously to distract rightful concern with the mountain by pointing at a molehill.
Lawfully refusing to ID yourself, at worst, is "rude".
Wrongful arrest is a form of kidnapping by agents of the state (no matter how briefly it lasts). Wrongful prosecution is abuse of power by the state and, thus, a SERIOUS violation of your rights.
Which is far, far worse?
Folks, get your head straight about exactly what is involved with Sean Combs' situation!
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"The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr
“He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death, may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.”--M. K. Gandhi
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi
I keep seeing this quote from Judge Marc Barron, and I am not sure exactly what he means. Can somebody decipher this for me? How does this work with preemption exactly? What is a Home Rule city?
"City ordinances must follow constitutional law," Barron said. "(However) Home Rule cities have specific authority to enact ordinances in the interest of the city.""City ordinances must follow constitutional law," Barron said. "(However) Home Rule cities have specific authority to enact ordinances in the interest of the city."
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Wow, after reading the comments on that article (patch) I'm thinking we'll be avoiding Michigan in the future if we ever decide to move out of NM (no offense to the good guys there). Sorry you guys have to put up with that over there, and I hope all the charges are dropped for being as ridiculous as they are.
If you read through the MCRGO v Ferndale, the judges discussed this issue. Basically, Home-Rule cities can enact ordinances to promote safety, borrow money, etc. However, there are situations in which the state preempts the ability of cities to enact ordinances beyond those expressly allowed by the state. Examples include the vehicle laws, the fire code, and firearms. So, basically, if the state did NOT preempt the ability of cities to regulate firearms, any city could restrict firearms ALMOST any way they saw fit. However, preemption has taken the away the ability of cities to regulate firearms.
That is what I though, I guess I was just confused as to why he would even mention Home Rule cities if that doesn't actually have any bearing on the gun laws.
Just get on the train; its for your safety. Don't make a scene; we're here to help you. Get on the train, quickly, now!
Next, we'll have to pin our CPLs to our outer garments. Then they won't have to ask for your papers......
'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!
'There is nothing more demoralizing than the fake non-violence of the weak and impotent.' MK Gandhi II-153 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)
Did anyone make it to the meeting tonight?
They don't allow comments until later, but at the rate I'm going I don't think that I will make it before they wrap up.
He was grasping at straws.
Just got word that the trial will take place tomorrow morning as originally planned. It is suspected that it will take more than one day however. Anyone still planning on visiting birmingham tomorrow evening?
I have also had very few negative interactions with police, but what you are saying goes against everything that freedom stands for. Where do we draw the line? This person was not breaking the law. Everything he was doing that night was legal. But what you are saying is that because the officer decided to the kid might not be old enough, he had reasonable suspicion? If an officer walks up to you, and tells you that he thinks you are a felon, with no further explaination, do you just give in, and let him check? Thats what they want us to do. This kid did exactly what he had the right to do. How dare you chastize someone for fully, and legally exercising their rights? You must be one of those "down the middle" people.
Eye95......
In reference to the March on DC.“I am not with you. If the particular way in which you choose to break the laws is to take up arms against the government, know that I will, at the moment, choose to stand on the government's side and take up arms against you."
If I am correct, didnt Ferndale try the "Home Rule" approach?
Thats what alot of cities here in Iowa are reaching for. The sad part is, the "home rule" laws here are CLEARLY explained to not interfere with the general assembly. I.E State law. And even Iowa Code 724.28 clearly preempts local ordinances, the cities have tried resolutions to ban firearms.
Eye95......
In reference to the March on DC.“I am not with you. If the particular way in which you choose to break the laws is to take up arms against the government, know that I will, at the moment, choose to stand on the government's side and take up arms against you."
I plan to attend the concert, hopefully others will come, I have cleared my schedule tomorrow, so I shouldn't have any issues.
Well as a matter of fact that is exactly what happened. He politely refused, they forcefully took his ID. Then even though they knew he was of legal age (their supposed reason for the stop) the arrested him anyway and trumped up the spaghetti charges to cover their a$$es.
Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!
Thanks Dan -
I find it laughable that many here are having a hard time understanding this. Even someone who started their own pro 2A website??? What the heck?
Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!
Many, at the time, had a hard time understanding why some guys dressed up like Indians and dumped tea out of the ship.
Many, at the time, had a hard time understanding why some guys refused going along with the demands of the King and the King's men.
Alas, for many, the protection of liberty--both large and small, from gun-rights rallies down to simple refusal to "show me your papers!"--are before their very eyes and they do not see it. That is simply a historical fact. For some darn reason, most people have no problem seeing the past with clarity, but are unexplainably blind to perceiving what is going on in the present.
It is our job to attempt to remove the blinders our brethren sometimes put on themselves.
Last edited by DanM; 07-10-2012 at 11:55 PM.
"The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr
“He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death, may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.”--M. K. Gandhi
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi
Well said my friend. Well said.
Unfortunately, we need these types of situations to remove those blinders to allow people to see whats going on around them. I say KUDOS to this kid for standing up for his rights. These people are trying to make an example out of him, and I hope beyond all hope that he wins.
Eye95......
In reference to the March on DC.“I am not with you. If the particular way in which you choose to break the laws is to take up arms against the government, know that I will, at the moment, choose to stand on the government's side and take up arms against you."
Is there still a meet up tonight at the concert?
GoldenEagle and I are in the park ...will anyone else show?
We're not in the shade so GE's head may turn golden brown
I dont know whats going on but I would much rather be there than stuck at work
The worst weapon is the human mind, its created and done things far worse than a gun can, has, or ever will. Its the human mind that tells the gun what to do and animates the inanimate object.
With all these gun control laws in place I have yet to find a single one that has saved someones life, but I can find hundreds of stories where a gun has.
The band is warming up...no one else here yet
Seeing no other open carry people, we are about to leave. I will leave you with this ostentatious display of yoga that we just saw.
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