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My wife found my stash....

F350

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now she knows all about me.

What did she find, guns, NO; ammo, NO {I have more than I could possibly hide}; booze NO {she hasn't found that yet ;-) } porn, NO....

She was looking on a high up shelf in the garage and found......... 4 cases; 36 per case of........




100 watt incandescent light bulbs made in the USA; you know the ones Obummer and the libritards in congress banned to force us to use florescent bulbs made in China and containing hazardous materials that constitute a toxic spill should you break one.

So now she knows I am a scruff law; someone willing to circumvent onerous intrusions of the libritard federal government in my life and defy edicts of the King.

Next I will start to lay in supplies of 60 watt and 3 ways, still allowed to be manufactured but on the slate to be banned.
 

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now she knows all about me.

What did she find, guns, NO; ammo, NO {I have more than I could possibly hide}; booze NO {she hasn't found that yet ;-) } porn, NO....

She was looking on a high up shelf in the garage and found......... 4 cases; 36 per case of........




100 watt incandescent light bulbs made in the USA; you know the ones Obummer and the libritards in congress banned to force us to use florescent bulbs made in China and containing hazardous materials that constitute a toxic spill should you break one.

So now she knows I am a scruff law; someone willing to circumvent onerous intrusions of the libritard federal government in my life and defy edicts of the King.

Next I will start to lay in supplies of 60 watt and 3 ways, still allowed to be manufactured but on the slate to be banned.


Actually, The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 was signed into law by the Statist Bush. It is a horrible law, but lets be accurate in our criticism of it. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/110-2007/h40

In case you didn't know. You are fully within the law to keep and use the light bulbs. The law does not ban possession or use.
 

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Actually, The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 was signed into law by the Statist Bush. It is a horrible law, but lets be accurate in our criticism of it. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/110-2007/h40

In case you didn't know. You are fully within the law to keep and use the light bulbs. The law does not ban possession or use.

Good point, and it was voted yes on by 36 idiot repugnicans. Bush signed all sorts of crappy moonbat laws, you'd think the libtards would appreciate him more.

Anyway I think the house has pulled funding for the enforcement of the law, that's why you can still find 100w bulbs on the shelves last I looked. I did lay in a stash of them myself, much to the chagrin of the dragon lady.
 

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now she knows all about me.

What did she find, guns, NO; ammo, NO {I have more than I could possibly hide}; booze NO {she hasn't found that yet ;-) } porn, NO....

She was looking on a high up shelf in the garage and found......... 4 cases; 36 per case of........




100 watt incandescent light bulbs made in the USA; you know the ones Obummer and the libritards in congress banned to force us to use florescent bulbs made in China and containing hazardous materials that constitute a toxic spill should you break one.

So now she knows I am a scruff law; someone willing to circumvent onerous intrusions of the libritard federal government in my life and defy edicts of the King.

Next I will start to lay in supplies of 60 watt and 3 ways, still allowed to be manufactured but on the slate to be banned.

So your the one hoarding all the light bulbs....you do realize that the bulbs you use put out a higher heat signature and can be spotted by the drones the goverment has up to spy on you with more accuracy than the new bulbs made in china.....
 

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Good point, and it was voted yes on by 36 idiot repugnicans. Bush signed all sorts of crappy moonbat laws, you'd think the libtards would appreciate him more.

Anyway I think the house has pulled funding for the enforcement of the law, that's why you can still find 100w bulbs on the shelves last I looked. I did lay in a stash of them myself, much to the chagrin of the dragon lady.


If I recall correctly the law did not ban sale in stores, just manufacture, and importation. Stores and suppliers are able to sell their current stock.
 

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I just bought 16 incandescent bulbs at lowe's to replace the CCFLs that sucked so badly it was causing relationship issues ("honey, why does it take ten minutes before the room isn't dark when I turn on the lights?).

I'm hoping LEDs catch up and come down in price, because they are currently crazy. A single LED bulb would have cost as much as all of these together, and each would only put out 60% of the incandescent bulbs. Even with replacement cost and electricity savings, the cost of the LEDs does not pay off for way too long (if ever).

I'd love to see some of this tech improve, but as it stands, CCFLs take too long to warm up and don't play nicely with dimmers and LEDs are too expensive/too dim to be worth using. Add to it that I am supposed to bring the CCFLs that burn out early to a tech-disposal place, and I'm going back to working light bulbs (excuse me, "heat balls").
 
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LED's are a wonderful system. Especially with how long term durable they are. And they don't give some people migraines like fluorescents do.

The high price of LED units is there for a reason. And the same goes for the low quality of the cheaper ones. LED's that are bright get especially hot. LED's that get overheated burn themselves out. For this reason, they need a very good heat sink. Provided it has one, a LED system will work reliably for decades, and if you really want to go nuts, you can get one that will make a traditional halogen bulb look dim. All this for much less electricity and hassle than a regular incan bulb.

And what if you don't like what's available at your local home center? That would be a good reason to build a unit you do like.

LED technology has been advancing at an astonishing rate lately, and with a little research and effort, you can have a sincerely kick ass LED rig going, and that goes for both home and portable lighting.

Not that I like the idea of losing freedom of choice, but the choices we have now are pretty close to ideal.
 
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LED's are a wonderful system. Especially with how long term durable they are. And they don't give some people migraines like fluorescents do.

The high price of LED units is there for a reason. And the same goes for the low quality of the cheaper ones. LED's that are bright get especially hot. LED's that get overheated burn themselves out. For this reason, they need a very good heat sink. Provided it has one, a LED system will work reliably for decades, and if you really want to go nuts, you can get one that will make a traditional halogen bulb look dim. All this for much less electricity and hassle than a regular incan bulb.

And what if you don't like what's available at your local home center? That would be a good reason to build a unit you do like.

LED technology has been advancing at an astonishing rate lately, and with a little research and effort, you can have a sincerely kick ass LED rig going, and that goes for both home and portable lighting.

Not that I like the idea of losing freedom of choice, but the choices we have now are pretty close to ideal.

An 800 lumen LED/heatsink bulb that fits into the space of a light bulb runs approximately 30 bucks (25 online). A pack of 4 100W GE reveal bulbs costs about 8 bucks in the store, or 7.50 online, and provides 1300 lumens.

The 100W bulb uses 8 times as much power per unit of time. At approximately 8.75 cents per kWh, a single 100W bulb costs .875c/hr to run, and a 12.5W LED costs .109c/hr. Assuming I use the bulbs 4 hours a day (quite a bit, but let's just assume), and that the MTBF for the incandescent is 1500 hours (I bought the long life bulbs), that means I would have to replace the incandescent roughly once a year, at the cost of $12.78 in power. The LED is 1/8 that, at $1.60, a savings of 11.18. However, the LED is also providing only 61% of the brightness as my lovely 100W bulbs. Modulating the cost by that results in the LED being ~$2.62/year, a savings of $10.16. The total yearly cost, then, is approximately 12 bucks per incandescent. That means each LED has a time horizon of two years before they come close to making sense, assuming no time-value of money.

In addition, LEDs tend to be much more poor at producing a quality white light (extra blue), due to the fact they operate by causing photon emission as electrons jump bands (thus limiting them to a single wavelength - lambda = hc/E for this type of emission). Even the newest and best GaN/Phosphor still have a blue intensity which is almost twice the next closest color. Since my fixtures only hold so many bulbs, the lack of luminosity for the LEDs is problematic. Combine that with the unnatural color and the current generation of bulbs don't make sense.

Since the technology is improving, I expect that before the next two years are up, there will be better LED bulbs on the market that cost half the price of current offerings (less once you consider inflation). That means I would have paid a penalty to be an early adopter, rather than using what works until the cost/benefit ratio improves significantly. About the only way that LEDs make sense in the present is if you're redesigning your house lighting and incorporating them from the ground up. Using LEDs in existing fixtures just doesn't provide enough illumination, especially in the PNW during the winter.
 

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newcandescent

Actually, there is a loophole in the law and it is being utilized.

Rough service bulbs are not affected by the ban and are and

will be available into the future.

You can get them here www.newcandescent.com at a

reasonable price. Keep in mind they are rough service bulbs,

with a heavy duty filament and will last longer than your average

bulb.
 
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Actually, there is a loophole in the law and it is being utilized.

Rough service bulbs are not affected by the ban and are and

will be available into the future.

You can get them here www.newcandescent.com at a

reasonable price. Keep in mind they are rough service bulbs,

with a heavy duty filament and will last longer than your average

bulb.
Since my locally acquired incandescents seem to last just about 3-4 months they wouldn't have to last very long to be better than the other crap!
 

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I just bought 16 incandescent bulbs at lowe's to replace the CCFLs that sucked so badly it was causing relationship issues ("honey, why does it take ten minutes before the room isn't dark when I turn on the lights?).

I'm hoping LEDs catch up and come down in price, because they are currently crazy. A single LED bulb would have cost as much as all of these together, and each would only put out 60% of the incandescent bulbs. Even with replacement cost and electricity savings, the cost of the LEDs does not pay off for way too long (if ever).

I'd love to see some of this tech improve, but as it stands, CCFLs take too long to warm up and don't play nicely with dimmers and LEDs are too expensive/too dim to be worth using. Add to it that I am supposed to bring the CCFLs that burn out early to a tech-disposal place, and I'm going back to working light bulbs (excuse me, "heat balls").

Sounds like you need to buy better CFLs. I'm pretty sure all of mine are GE and they're all as bright as they're going to be as soon as I turn them on.

My parents on the other hand buy cheap piece of crap CFLs and they do take forever to warm and brighten up.
 

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Sounds like you need to buy better CFLs. I'm pretty sure all of mine are GE and they're all as bright as they're going to be as soon as I turn them on.

My parents on the other hand buy cheap piece of crap CFLs and they do take forever to warm and brighten up.

Could you enlighten me to the good CFLs? I've bought all different kinds (feit, sylvia, daylight research (or something like that), phillips), and they've all had to warm up to reach full brightness. The FEITs are the worst, obviously, but even the more expensive ones that turn on faster and brighten quicker take a good 3-5 minutes before at peak brightness, especially in the winter.
 

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I just bought 16 incandescent bulbs at lowe's to replace the CCFLs that sucked so badly it was causing relationship issues ("honey, why does it take ten minutes before the room isn't dark when I turn on the lights?).

I'm hoping LEDs catch up and come down in price, because they are currently crazy. A single LED bulb would have cost as much as all of these together, and each would only put out 60% of the incandescent bulbs. Even with replacement cost and electricity savings, the cost of the LEDs does not pay off for way too long (if ever).

I'd love to see some of this tech improve, but as it stands, CCFLs take too long to warm up and don't play nicely with dimmers and LEDs are too expensive/too dim to be worth using. Add to it that I am supposed to bring the CCFLs that burn out early to a tech-disposal place, and I'm going back to working light bulbs (excuse me, "heat balls").


Lowes had a huge stock of LED 40 watt equivalent for 6$ something (two pack), and the light is better than the ones I paid 19 bucks on sale for. I bought several boxes my other half teased me but now our store ran out of stock. And the light isn't bad from them either.
 
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use oil lamps .. they still work ... the ccf's are OK until a few months then they are yellow, weak lights.

I do have a couple of 300 W ones in my garage though ... they shine v. brightly once warmed up.
 

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Lowes had a huge stock of LED 40 watt equivalent for 6$ something (two pack), and the light is better than the ones I paid 19 bucks on sale for. I bought several boxes my other half teased me but now our store ran out of stock. And the light isn't bad from them either.

As I said earlier, I have only so many light bulb sockets. A 40W equivalent bulb just doesn't cut it unless I'm doing a massive redesign of my lighting.
 

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As I said earlier, I have only so many light bulb sockets. A 40W equivalent bulb just doesn't cut it unless I'm doing a massive redesign of my lighting.

Missed that, I found these 40 equivs to be brighter though than the other LED, read great by them. I have a couple halogen bulbs but never use them, to bright for my liking.
 

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Could you enlighten me to the good CFLs? I've bought all different kinds (feit, sylvia, daylight research (or something like that), phillips), and they've all had to warm up to reach full brightness. The FEITs are the worst, obviously, but even the more expensive ones that turn on faster and brighten quicker take a good 3-5 minutes before at peak brightness, especially in the winter.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure all of mine are GE. I'll have to double check when I get home. I may have a couple of Sylvanias.

The only one I have problem with is the GE 100W equivalent (consumes 24W I think) I keep for the porch light. It starts off dim if the temperature drops below 60 degrees. But CFLs aren't designed to operate in those tempuratures, so during the cold months I switch it out with a conventional tungsten 100W bulb.
 

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Like I said, I'm pretty sure all of mine are GE. I'll have to double check when I get home. I may have a couple of Sylvanias.

The only one I have problem with is the GE 100W equivalent (consumes 24W I think) I keep for the porch light. It starts off dim if the temperature drops below 60 degrees. But CFLs aren't designed to operate in those tempuratures, so during the cold months I switch it out with a conventional tungsten 100W bulb.

CFLs aren't made for the PNW :p

We set our house temp between 55 (while at work) and 65 (a few hours in the morning and evening). When I get home early it will usually be 60 in the house. No wonder the bulbs are so slow ;)
 
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