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Getting ready to research "check points"
- Thread starter mpguy
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cyras21
Regular Member
not quite, there is a case in AZ going to trail...well I was going to say this month or next but it appears it was settled before trial so no determination as far as constitutionality.
https://www.checkpointusa.org/blog/index.php/2012/06/09/p255
https://www.checkpointusa.org/
Thundar
Regular Member
Gun owners have been screwed by the Cooch too many times already. I for one will ramp up my anti-Cooch campaign.
john-galt
Regular Member
Good call on the TSA Viper units. Glad I'm not the only one concerned about them.
45acpForMe
Newbie
250 Troops Performing Checkpoints to Keep You Safe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23e_6qCudN8&feature=em-uploademail
Not a whole lot of information but it is interesting to see this continue. :-(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23e_6qCudN8&feature=em-uploademail
Not a whole lot of information but it is interesting to see this continue. :-(
Bowesmobile
Regular Member
Seems to me I saw this troop movement going south on 288 on the 17th around 7pm? Exactly how it was described on the video. The sooner we replace the president the better IMHO.
nuc65
Activist Member
Can somebody tell me how a checkpoint which violates my rights make me safe? Like the TSA checks in the airport, I would feel safer armed and since I am responsible for myself then what's the point.
Oh wait, bad citizen, how dare you not believe what the government tells you to believe.
va_tazdad
Regular Member
Really??????
Last I knew, the active US military could not be used against the citizens according to the Constitution.
The Guard can be used when activated for an emergency like Katrina, but not active duty troops.
Last I knew, the active US military could not be used against the citizens according to the Constitution.
The Guard can be used when activated for an emergency like Katrina, but not active duty troops.
They can't be used for active law enforcement Taz...but they can be used for support functions. Besides, when did they start playing by the rules except for the rule of heavy metal.
Remember that the National Guard performs the function of a State's armed, organized* militia. They are under the direct control of the State's governor unless and until called up for federal service - which is sometimes predicated on who has sufficient money to pay them as opposed to their need/use actually being for a federal (as opposed to State) purpose.
The last time before Katrina that my feeble mind can recall NG troops being called out by a governor to enforce the law was during some riot or other - or was it after a hurricane other than Katrina, or a wildfire? It's all a bit fuzzy.
I think we have been over this before, but rather than page back to check I'll just go ahead and post it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Those that love spending time poring over law books are invited to try and find a similar statute limiting the use of non-federalized National Guard troops.
stay safe.
* - let the jokes about "organized militia" begin. References to Revolutionary and Civil*** War militia are encouraged.
** - as in when the President (step 1)calls the NG up to federal service and then (step 2) orders them to enforce State laws.
*** - there is just no way one can write Civil/of Northern Aggression/to Preserve the Union/of States' Rights without both the writer and the reader going off the tracks with little hope of ever getting back. Just let us call it a "convention" and allow it to pass. OK?
The last time before Katrina that my feeble mind can recall NG troops being called out by a governor to enforce the law was during some riot or other - or was it after a hurricane other than Katrina, or a wildfire? It's all a bit fuzzy.
I think we have been over this before, but rather than page back to check I'll just go ahead and post it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Those that love spending time poring over law books are invited to try and find a similar statute limiting the use of non-federalized National Guard troops.
stay safe.
* - let the jokes about "organized militia" begin. References to Revolutionary and Civil*** War militia are encouraged.
** - as in when the President (step 1)calls the NG up to federal service and then (step 2) orders them to enforce State laws.
*** - there is just no way one can write Civil/of Northern Aggression/to Preserve the Union/of States' Rights without both the writer and the reader going off the tracks with little hope of ever getting back. Just let us call it a "convention" and allow it to pass. OK?
johnfenter
Regular Member
Little Rock Nine
Suggest you google the above term, and review the history of what Eisenhower did. Also, look at the use of Federal troops for union busting...
Suggest you google the above term, and review the history of what Eisenhower did. Also, look at the use of Federal troops for union busting...
davidmcbeth
Banned
Well, it makes me feel safer in my opinion that government officials are bent on violating every restraint that they have .. soon we'll have to house policemen.
But don't worry "not every cop is bad" lol .. I'm sure that every cop at these checkpoints thinks they are standup guys..in their own mind.
"active soldiers cannot be used against US citizens" .. I recall USAF airmen after 9-11 pointing guns at us at airports because I talked to a few of those active duty airmen and asked them why they are pointing guns at citizens of the US. They were only "following orders" as they said.
Very few government officials care about citizens, only their own and their governments' continual expansion of power and authority over us. They must disarm us before the ultimate actions occur.
Now most advice is just to remain silent when going through these checkpoints & that's excellent advice to get through them with the minimum of hassle (although you'll still get hassled big time). During checkpoints though, I just continually pepper them with questions : what is your home address? what's your social security number? etc. and then when they ask me a question .. I reply back with the same answers they gave me: none of your business, ask me in court, I'm the one asking questions here... its a lark. But I don't answer any questions ... I'm not the Shell Answer Man.
And if they call me "sir" then I give them an order "go over to that spot 100 ft away"..hey, they called me sir and that tells me that I have authority over them...they l-o-v-e this game.
The game is on.
davidmcbeth
Banned
They may need them soon...
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45acpForMe
Newbie
Not for long though.
The question is where to put my new bullet proof mobile unit or tank?
I prefer the tank but ammo is mucho expensivioso!!!:banana:
riverrat10k
Regular Member
National Guard was called out in Richmond in , I believe, '85 or '87, to "guard" us from the flooding James River. We snuck on, went kayaking anyway, probably a high-water- run record at the time.
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mobeewan
Regular Member
Many many moons ago when I used to buy SOF Magazine on a regular basis there was an article I read about the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew in south Florida. In the article it was mentioned that the US Army troops were mobilized to meals on wheels and set up tent cities. It was normal when deployed that they took their personal equipment and issued weapons with them where ever deployed either in the US or abroad. I believe the reason they took it with them when deployed in the US was because if needed to be deployed for war in an emergency they had everything with then and would not have to go back to their base to get it. However when deployed in the US for non war related reasons they were not issued ammo.
After Hurricane Andrew gang members were attacking US Army troops and taking their issued weapons from them.
When National Guard troops were approached by gang members probing them and asking questions about weapons and if they had ammo a Leiutenant informed them that they were National Guard and had been deployed by the state and therefore had ammo and could shoot them if they had to unlike their US Army counterparts. The gang members left.
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