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    Look what we did...

    When we were in Birmingham, many of us used the "facilities" at the library near the park. Well, they aren't too happy.

    http://www.hometownlife.com/article/...WS02/206240371

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    Their letter will be the second one sent by a library and summarily ignored. Fools.

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    Too bad for them it's legal to open carry in all the places listed with a CPL. They ought to do their homework next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    When we were in Birmingham, many of us used the "facilities" at the library near the park. Well, they aren't too happy.

    http://www.hometownlife.com/article/...WS02/206240371
    I thought that the library is where one might expect to find smart people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    Too bad for them it's legal to open carry in all the places listed with a CPL. They ought to do their homework next time.
    Or with an out-of-state license. lol

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    Already saving my pop cans.

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    Shame on you guys for scaring the poor sheep.

    You should have shown up dressed in hoodies and doo rags with your hands in your pockets to be less threatening to them!

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    I am quite sure that all libraries in the entire State of Michigan are aware of the legal action involving CADL... and I strongly suspect many of them are willing to jump on the gun control bandwagon in support of CADL.

    And, in my opinion, this idea that guns shouldn't be allowed in libraries is merely more of the idea that anyone in any "official" capacity, no matter how small or insignificant, has the power and authority to tell everyone else what to do.... regardless of rights or legalities.
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    I am quite sure that all libraries in the entire State of Michigan are aware of the legal action involving CADL... and I strongly suspect many of them are willing to jump on the gun control bandwagon in support of CADL.

    And, in my opinion, this idea that guns shouldn't be allowed in libraries is merely more of the idea that anyone in any "official" capacity, no matter how small or insignificant, has the power and authority to tell everyone else what to do.... regardless of rights or legalities.
    Actually, I think if they knew they would have barred us from entering the library. The fact that they did not ask us to leave nor did they post any sign prohibiting us from using the restrooms while openly carrying our firearms tells me that even if they knew, they did not want to get involved. what is interesting is that a state rep already proposed a bill for libraries to be added to the 28.425o areas... and it went nowhere.
    see http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2011-HB-4438
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    “The Library Board feels that only law enforcement officials ought to be allowed to bring guns into the library building.”
    Detroit swat thug Joseph Weekly would be the perfect poster child for this thought.

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    Again, God Bless the Internet.

    Someday, libraries will be a thing of the past.

    Who wants to go to the library to watch the perverts stand around the children's section or see them watch porn on the public computers.

    I'd rather look something up on my laptop or iphone.

    When they are closed, there will be no more libraries trying to pull nonsense.

    I noticed, the internet also seems to be getting rid of other gun free zones, like the post office

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    Actually, I think if they knew they would have barred us from entering the library. The fact that they did not ask us to leave nor did they post any sign prohibiting us from using the restrooms while openly carrying our firearms tells me that even if they knew, they did not want to get involved. what is interesting is that a state rep already proposed a bill for libraries to be added to the 28.425o areas... and it went nowhere.
    see http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2011-HB-4438

    CADL is about an authority and only involves Ingham Co at this point. Libraries not under an authority has already be ruled on in MCRGOs vs Ferndale which was about a library.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    CADL is about an authority and only involves Ingham Co at this point. Libraries not under an authority has already be ruled on in MCRGOs vs Ferndale which was about a library.
    Yep. In MCRGOs vs Ferndale, the issue was any building under the authority of city. I don't know under which of the various library acts the Baldwin library in Birmingham is formed under.
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    Notice of Meetings

    A meeting of the Joint Library Building Committee will take place on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. in the Board Room of the Library. Representatives from both the Library and the City of Birmingham will be present.

    A meeting of the Baldwin Public Library Board will take place on Monday, July 16, 2012 at 7:30 p.m. in the Tribute and Donor Rooms of the Library.

    http://www.baldwinlib.org/library-board/


    Some folks here have noticed that Birmingham is trying to "play it safe" with PR, and keep quiet in the media while they let the courts do their dirty work. Is this an opportunity to let Birmingham turn itself into a media circus (with our help of course)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    Yep. In MCRGOs vs Ferndale, the issue was any building under the authority of city. I don't know under which of the various library acts the Baldwin library in Birmingham is formed under.
    Yes, but I think it started with the library which was not an authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    Notice of Meetings

    A meeting of the Joint Library Building Committee will take place on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. in the Board Room of the Library. Representatives from both the Library and the City of Birmingham will be present.

    A meeting of the Baldwin Public Library Board will take place on Monday, July 16, 2012 at 7:30 p.m. in the Tribute and Donor Rooms of the Library.

    http://www.baldwinlib.org/library-board/


    Some folks here have noticed that Birmingham is trying to "play it safe" with PR, and keep quiet in the media while they let the courts do their dirty work. Is this an opportunity to let Birmingham turn itself into a media circus (with our help of course)?

    Is it an incorporated authority? I couldn't find any language in that regard. Even so, until the CoA decision the ban is only good in Ingham County.
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    Now that really makes me wish I had walked up to the circulation desk with my unmentionable and asked if they had any books on reloading.
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    There are two active bills already submitted by Joan Bauer that would add libraries to 750.234d and 28.425o. They are old bills that Joan expected to be dead on arrival. I don't have the numbers… But they are for this session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevymetal View Post
    Now that really makes me wish I had walked up to the circulation desk with my unmentionable and asked if they had any books on reloading.
    You should have asked for books on Constitutional law and the illegal restriction of American rights.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    There are two active bills already submitted by Joan Bauer that would add libraries to 750.234d and 28.425o. They are old bills that Joan expected to be dead on arrival. I don't have the numbers… But they are for this session.
    These are the only ones listed in a search: http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2011-HB-4439 and http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2011-HB-4438
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    You should have asked for books on Constitutional law and the illegal restriction of American rights.....
    I believe those Dewey Decimal sections have been removed...
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    Is it an incorporated authority? I couldn't find any language in that regard. Even so, until the CoA decision the ban is only good in Ingham County.
    Baldwin Library in Birmingham was chartered under PA 164 of 1877 (CITY, VILLAGE, AND TOWNSHIP LIBRARIES)
    see third paragraph here: http://www.bloomfieldhillsmi.net/Fro...ldwin_2011.pdf

    So, since they were established under the city of Birmingham, I don't think if we had the CoA decision go against our interests (not thinking it would), they would still have a hard time justifying the ability to regulate firearms in light of MCRGO vs Ferndale.
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I thought that the library is where one might expect to find smart people.

    My wife is a librarian (Ph.D); she often laughs about being at conventions and being able to pick out librarians out on the street; the profession is over populated with dorks, geeks, weenies, doofuses, namby-pambies, wimps, pantie wetters....... All generally to the left of Karl Marx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jared View Post
    Again, God Bless the Internet.

    Someday, libraries will be a thing of the past.

    Who wants to go to the library to watch the perverts stand around the children's section or see them watch porn on the public computers.

    I'd rather look something up on my laptop or iphone.

    When they are closed, there will be no more libraries trying to pull nonsense.

    I noticed, the internet also seems to be getting rid of other gun free zones, like the post office
    Do to computer issues, I'm currently forced to access the internet from the library (here), and your not kidding, I checked the history just out of curiosity, and:

    Porn, Porn, Porn, Porn, Porn Porntube to be specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    Notice of Meetings

    A meeting of the Joint Library Building Committee will take place on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. in the Board Room of the Library. Representatives from both the Library and the City of Birmingham will be present.

    A meeting of the Baldwin Public Library Board will take place on Monday, July 16, 2012 at 7:30 p.m. in the Tribute and Donor Rooms of the Library.

    http://www.baldwinlib.org/library-board/


    Some folks here have noticed that Birmingham is trying to "play it safe" with PR, and keep quiet in the media while they let the courts do their dirty work. Is this an opportunity to let Birmingham turn itself into a media circus (with our help of course)?
    I may be able to attend, is it open to the public?

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