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    Old Dominion University in the news ... again

    From the Tuesday, 25 June, Norfolk Virginian-Pilot:

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    ODU REPORTS SEXUAL ASSAULT OF STUDENT
    A man sexually assaulted a female student in a residence hall at Old Dominion University about 3 a.m. Sunday, the university said.
    He was with a guest of a resident, said university spokeswoman Jennifer Mullen. Police are investigating.
    The case marks the third reported sexual assault at ODU this year. Five forcible sexual assaults were reported in 2011.
    –Patrick Wilson, The Pilot

    (sarcasm alert) I am baffled how this could happen. Why didn't the victim just call campus security? Why didn't she just get to a campus "blue call box" to report an emergency?

    Of course, I am not saying that this assault could have been prevented, if the victim possessed a gun.

    But, I am saying that the assailant could be absolutely certain that she did not have a gun, when he chose to assault her.

    And, the beat goes on ....

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    Has anyone seen my shocked face? I can't seem to find it.

    There is some hope that due to the assailant's being described as "the guest of a resident" he might be identified, arrested, and tried - in spite of the fact that the university has no legal duty or obligation to protect the female student (presumably) in her home or the curtilige thereof.

    There's just not enough information to know if the university's "No Guns" policy saved the young lady from further harm.

    stay safe.
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    HA...blue boxes that is a good one! When I was at ODU (about 10 years ago) we had those lovely blue boxes. One night my fiancee and I (now my husband) were out being stupid (going to a diner at around 1 am) and we wittnessed 3 feet from us a car being broken into. We pressed that little box.....took 10 minutes for the police (who were only three blocks away) to get around to getting to us. What is even more terrifying is that those trying to break into the car CAME BACK BEFORE the police got there. There we were standing there, the two of us, totally unarmed, totally vulnerable, sitting there like ducks. I am amazed I survived my college years. Testament to the existence of a benevolent deity. Poor girl...so sorry.... could have easily been me.

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    I thought ODU was a safe place?

    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    I thought ODU was a safe place?

    sure is! for the thugs, anyway.
    “For life, liberty and Little Lizzie.” - John Connor (2005)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mk4 View Post
    sure is! for the thugs, anyway.
    I was thinking the same thing MK!

    The sad part of all of this is that there appears to be very little interest in Students for Concealed Carry. Granted the State Level Leadership has always sucked, but still the students on campus could form their own grass roots groups.

    I would have thought just the students that were attending on the GI bill would kick in, but it seems like a small group at every demonstration.
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    I expected this thread to be about this eminent domain case, which is also in the news right now.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/170505096...minent-domain/

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Has anyone seen my shocked face? I can't seem to find it.

    Found it for you....




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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueRidgeTrapper View Post
    Found it for you....



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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I was thinking the same thing MK!

    The sad part of all of this is that there appears to be very little interest in Students for Concealed Carry. Granted the State Level Leadership has always sucked, but still the students on campus could form their own grass roots groups.

    I would have thought just the students that were attending on the GI bill would kick in, but it seems like a small group at every demonstration.
    I was about to start a thread asking if anyone knew what ODU's firearm policies were, I guess this one answers my questions. I start attending in August on the GI Bill. When is the next demonstration?

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    When is the next demonstration? Of skid's 'shocked face'? Oh, you mean that campus meeting thing....got it.
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    Demonstrations, as you call them, are designed to call the public's attention to the issue, and hopefully to mobilize those most closely effected to take some action. It seems that while some ODU students "support" (as in not actively opposing) the idea of campus carry there are not any significant number of them willing to become involved in making campus carry happen.

    One of the most amazing things about VCDL is that the membership can be counted on to turn up and otherwise support activities even when others might say they were beating a dead horse. Willingness to fight for your right to defend yourself, even when you are not willing to, seems to be a hallmark of the VCDL member.

    But as I recall things, it is necessary for an ODU student organization to be the official sponsor of any event held on campus. It appears that none of the existing student organizations want to take the necessary steps. But, now that we will have a "ringer" on campus, ....

    stay safe.
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    Just to expand on what Skid said Randy....You or a group of yous (Pronounced youse North of Ashland) have to get the ball rolling.
    VCDL will help but only as a supportive guest.

    A little hint and this pains me.
    Campus carry only has a chance of passing tied t a CHP. That's OK as long as the bill does not have any effect on non students Open Carrying.
    If it does or if the group starts the "Look at me I got a CHP", dance...the bill will likely die in committee early on.

    Soooo, gather a group of like minded friends and have at it.

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    I'm in my last year at ODU and have done what I can to take a lot of classes online. When I do go to the campus..........well lets just say, I'm not defenseless
    "Yes, I am carrying a loaded firearm. Why aren't you? "

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    If you only knew, Trapper

    You need to cross the divide one month for an OC dinner. Meet the Real Skidmark!
    I could use a nice long drive! When's the next one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueRidgeTrapper View Post
    I could use a nice long drive! When's the next one?
    July 10 I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan7068 View Post
    .well lets just say, I'm not defenseless
    I'm assuming you mean you charge your cell phone before leaving ryan....cause we don't talk about illegal things

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    of course of course........no what im really talkin about is the blue light system. Emergency occurs, i hustle over to one, and a wonderful police officer and a gun show up in about 10 minutes I could always carry a drop wallet and drop phone to toss them

    Ultimately if I did happen to carry, it would be the same as any other private property. I could get hit up with trespassing if I didn't leave. "I didn't see any signage, sorry!" Also I could get expelled being a student
    "Yes, I am carrying a loaded firearm. Why aren't you? "

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    (SNIP) But as I recall things, it is necessary for an ODU student organization to be the official sponsor of any event held on campus. It appears that none of the existing student organizations want to take the necessary steps. But, now that we will have a "ringer" on campus, ....

    stay safe.
    My take on ODU student apathy about this issus is this:
    They are attending ODU to get the diploma and to get out. To become publicly associated with a pro-2A cause inside an ultra-liberal anti-2A campus is to invite "special teatment" by hoplophobic professors and to place grades and that diploma at great risk.

    Of course, that is just my opinion; I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USNA69 View Post
    My take on ODU student apathy about this issus is this:
    They are attending ODU to get the diploma and to get out. To become publicly associated with a pro-2A cause inside an ultra-liberal anti-2A campus is to invite "special teatment" by hoplophobic professors and to place grades and that diploma at great risk.

    Of course, that is just my opinion; I could be wrong.
    As a student, I 100% agree with you. After that no guns no funds protest, I was definitely concerned with the well being of students in general given the behavior of some of the instructors.
    "Yes, I am carrying a loaded firearm. Why aren't you? "

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    Quote Originally Posted by USNA69 View Post
    My take on ODU student apathy about this issus is this:
    They are attending ODU to get the diploma and to get out. To become publicly associated with a pro-2A cause inside an ultra-liberal anti-2A campus is to invite "special teatment" by hoplophobic professors and to place grades and that diploma at great risk.

    Of course, that is just my opinion; I could be wrong.
    I agree with this 100%. Professors quite often are petty dictators that can do as they wish and no one can tell them boo. I once had a professor who was a socialist through and through and quite vocal. I tried to sit the quietly, but sometimes your own personal world view comes out. Every test was essay. He made darn sure I got a c- in that class...the lowest grade he could give me without me being able to go to the dean. I got no less than a b+ in every other class in college. Ruined my GPA. So I can understand why a student just wants to get the required sheepskin and get out of there.


    Edited to add that this was at ODU.
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    ODU = Old Dominion Unconcealed

    Where there is apathy petty dictators win.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Note with the proliferation of online degrees there is becoming less and less need to put yourself at risk at all. Do your degree from your laptop in your pj's. Or do your degree armed to the teeth in a impregnable fortress, whatever you may have at hand.

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