SCOTUS Strikes Down HealthCare Law...

DocWalker said:

I feel this has taken us a step closer to the next revolution. I was had hope I wouldn't see it in my life time but it looks like I will.

The Goverment is out of control (both parties) and our freedoms are being stripped one by one. This gives the goverment a free hand on what they can tell the average American what they "have to buy".

What is preventing the goverment from saying you have to buy their food, their electricity...another step toward socialism in my option.

The goverment is slowly turning this country into crap and not just under this president; this one has just switched it into high gear and stepped on the gas.

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Revolution? When? Look at what has happened to this country and everyone just sets back and moans and groans. We won't do anything; I no longer have faith in this country to do what is right. We have seen the worst deprivation of our liberties and the destruction of our constitution in the past several years, and we have done what? Nothing! I agree with you that it is time for a revolution, past time actually, but this country is no longer filled with brave patriots as it was when this nation was founded. This country is now filled with computer warriors who set at home eating their frozen dinners and bi*ch at the news station on television while holding their AR in their lap saying "It's time we fight back!" Then they go to bed, wake up, and do it all over again. This country is brainwashed, and the government has been doing it for years, not just under Obummer. American's set and watch our government indvade country after country and think "I don't want any part of that, I will just deal with the slavery."

This country went to war with the British over taxation without representation. Yes there were other issues (like the boston massacre, which it turned out really wasn't a massacre at all), but the taxation is what started the whole revolution, yet here we are at a day in age when the very document millions have died to protect is being destroyed and we watch and wait for complete tyranny. I didn't like Bush, Clinton, Bush or most of the others either, but Obummer has destroyed every aspect of our country at a pace that far exceeds that of any other administration. Fast and Furious is one of the worst acts our government has ever committed, yet nothing has been done about this flawed attempt to destroy our 2nd Amendment rights that has killed hundreds of people in the process and will continue to do so.

It is obvious that our government has been owned by the globalists for some time now, and they are executing the final stages of their plan under this president. It isn't hard to do a little research and discover the truth, but most people would rather believe every word the MSN networks say and anything else is a lie. These people fail to realize 90% of the major news networks are owned by the globalist elites and are bias to their cause.

I do believe this country is on the verge of something very big, I just don't know what that is. Hopefully we will act in time to save this country, but from what I see from the majority of the people, that won't happen.

beebobby said:

If you are personally responsible enough to already have health insurance, this will not affect you in the least. If you don't have health insurance, take a little personal responsibility and obtain some so the rest of us don't have to pay your ER cost.The idea that providing more Americans with health care is grounds for armed revolution is just sick.

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It's not about heathcare it is about the process they used to force this through, the fact the goverment is FORCING Americans to do something that they shouldn't be able to do.....its not a tax but is a tax thing, can you explain that one?

As for heathcare it will affect all Americans. Since the govement can "tax" as the SCOTUS said what is preventing them from increasing it, insurance companies will continue to raise premiums on those of us that do pay, those that don't pay probably will just stop filing taxes....oh wait the goverment will hire more IRS agents to go after people for not buying the goverment mandated insurance.

Most Heathcare people are against this crap also, and the unions and goverment workers are exempt...if it is so good why is congress and the pres exempt?

This opens the door for the feds to say to abide by 2A, every citizen must purchase a firearm or be fined..er...uh...levied a tax.

Or that you must buy a Chevy Volt, or donate to a particular political party or be taxed. Hmmm...wonder how that's gonna work out.

This only proves that we have at least 6 morons on the supreme court...and one of them is the head honcho.

beebobby said:

If you are personally responsible enough to already have health insurance, this will not affect you in the least. If you don't have health insurance, take a little personal responsibility and obtain some so the rest of us don't have to pay your ER cost.The idea that providing more Americans with health care is grounds for armed revolution is just sick.

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Ok, you gripe about the fact that taxpayers are currently paying poor people's medical bills, yet you think this act is a good idea? You do realize we will still be paying for these people's medical care right, we will just be paying more. If you can't afford the health insurance, it will be purchased for you. So now we will be paying for roughly 40,000,000 more than we are now. The reason this could cause an armed revolution has nothing to do with providing some poor soul with health insurance, it is the fact that the federal government has officially destroyed our Federal Constitution by fining Americans if they fail to purchase health insurance from a PRIVATE company. Now they can mandate that we buy anything! Perhaps you like your Ford or Chevy pick-up, and you want to continue to purchase them. The government steps in (because now they can) and says everyone must buy foreign manufactured electric cars or we will be fined. Would you agree with that too? Because now there is nothing stopping the federal government from forcing us to do whatever they deem fit. I believe this was just a test for what is to come. They get the gullible Americans to believe this law is actually good for the majority (Utilitarianism, Socialist) and then comes the rest. We are no longer a constitutional republic, we are a socialist wasteland. Individual rights now officially mean nothing! The constitution was officially destroyed today by the highest court in the country. Our only hope is to have our individual states assert their rights, and nullify this mandate for their citizens. People seem to forget that if there is not something that explicitly authorizes the federal government to do something in the constitution, then they can't do it. It is a power of the states if it isn't mentioned in the constitution or prohibited by it. But that no longer matters, because our constitution is officially dead!

beebobby said:

If you are personally responsible enough to already have health insurance, this will not affect you in the least. If you don't have health insurance, take a little personal responsibility and obtain some so the rest of us don't have to pay your ER cost.The idea that providing more Americans with health care is grounds for armed revolution is just sick.

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So, exactly how does a unemployed citizen take some personal responsability and buy private health insurance?

gunns said:

This is such BS. Its not a tax, but it is a tax. If you support this, don't complain when they march you into the gas chamber.

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Gas chambers are for those who give up their gun rights.

Beretta92FSLady said:

You must not read much about Justice Thomas, and his bouts of conflicts of interest.



Vote for Romney 2012--get President Obama out of office, I double-dog dare-ya.

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I will vote for Paul regardless, because I am not a TRAITOR to my country! I respect individual rights, and I have a great deal of respect for the millions who have gave the ultimate sacrifice (dying alone and in pain with no one around they love) to defend this country and what makes her great. I respect the republic that was founded by the brave men who were tired of oppression and tyranny. We are more oppressed now than ever before, and some believe it is for the best. If you folks like socialist countries, then move to a socialist country; don't try making my country that was founded on the belief of individual freedoms a dump like they are.

Beretta92FSLady said:

SNIP

Looks like President Obama won this match.

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Won his match? It's just been shown that he signficantly raised taxes on the middle class... something he said he wouldn't do. He's a liar plain and simple.

OC for ME said:

So, exactly how does a unemployed citizen take some personal responsability and buy private health insurance?

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In 2014 if you are unemployed and choose not to buy your own med insurance you will get federal medical coverage and it will cost you $650 or 2.5% of your AGI (unemployment is taxable, always has been, always will be).

KYGlockster said:

Ok, you gripe about the fact that taxpayers are currently paying poor people's medical bills, yet you think this act is a good idea? You do realize we will still be paying for these people's medical care right, we will just be paying more. If you can't afford the health insurance, it will be purchased for you. So now we will be paying for roughly 40,000,000 more than we are now. The reason this could cause an armed revolution has nothing to do with providing some poor soul with health insurance, it is the fact that the federal government has officially destroyed our Federal Constitution by fining Americans if they fail to purchase health insurance from a PRIVATE company. Now they can mandate that we buy anything! Perhaps you like your Ford or Chevy pick-up, and you want to continue to purchase them. The government steps in (because now they can) and says everyone must buy foreign manufactured electric cars or we will be fined. Would you agree with that too? Because now there is nothing stopping the federal government from forcing us to do whatever they deem fit. I believe this was just a test for what is to come. They get the gullible Americans to believe this law is actually good for the majority (Utilitarianism, Socialist) and then comes the rest. We are no longer a constitutional republic, we are a socialist wasteland. Individual rights now officially mean nothing! The constitution was officially destroyed today by the highest court in the country. Our only hope is to have our individual states assert their rights, and nullify this mandate for their citizens. People seem to forget that if there is not something that explicitly authorizes the federal government to do something in the constitution, then they can't do it. It is a power of the states if it isn't mentioned in the constitution or prohibited by it. But that no longer matters, because our constitution is officially dead!

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Chief Justice John Roberts should know a little something about the US Constitution.

And he has ruled that Obama-care is constitutional.

Take his word for it.

Shoobee said:

In 2014 if you are unemployed and choose not to buy your own med insurance you will get federal medical coverage and it will cost you $650 or 2.5% of your AGI (unemployment is taxable, always has been, always will be).

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...and when your unemployment runs out and you're still unemployed?

georg jetson said:

...and when your unemployment runs out and you're still unemployed?

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Nobody will be poor under O's Socialist States of America. He will just print more money and send it them.

Shoobee said:

In 2014 if you are unemployed and choose not to buy your own med insurance you will get federal medical coverage and it will cost you $650 or 2.5% of your AGI (unemployment is taxable, always has been, always will be).

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No, you do not 'get' anything but slapped with a 'tax' for not 'buying' the federal medical coverage. The government can not force you to buy anything. They can only 'tax' you if you do not buy 'it'.

Read it, the decsion, it's in there. The 'tax' goes up after a couple of years after 2014 to a level higher than any premium. Read it, the AHCA, it's in there.

A tax for not buying insurance has the nature of a "direct tax", as opposed to an excise. According to Article 1 Section 9 All direct taxes must be apportioned. The requirement for apportionment of direct taxes has never been repealed. (the 16th amendment not withstanding) How is it that this direct tax avoids the apportionment requirement. Excise taxes must be uniform throughout the States, but this does not seem like an excise to me.

I see another major problem as well. As some may or may not remember the bill that eventually passed originated in the Senate. If this is a tax then then law CAN NOT be constitutional. The constitution requires that any bill having to do with raising revenue must originate in the house of representatives.(Article 1 section 7)

We may see a case in the future that argues one or both of these points.

Shoobee said:

Chief Justice John Roberts should know a little something about the US Constitution.

And he has ruled that Obama-care is constitutional.

Take his word for it.

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I like the take on it. Roberts says if we don't like the laws being made get rid of the law makers.
This Obamacare is a good step toward the main goal of big government. Both sides are in on it. When Bush was around it was "national security" that was used to grow government. Obama has used health care. But don't be fooled, BOTH sides want to grow the FED.

As I mentioned before do a search for "federal budget vs GDP". Take a look at the consistent increase in the federal budget compared to what we are worth. BOTH SIDES.

I'm think about voting for Gary Johnson

georg jetson said:

...and when your unemployment runs out and you're still unemployed?

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At that point it may be time to, you know maybe FIND A DAMN JOB! Imagine that. Some may have to be "under employed". I have acquaintances who took jobs that paid not only less than their old job, but less than unemployment would have given them.

Many folks will do nothing and get paid more than your buddy for he doing something, until they must do something themselves for less than what the got when they were doing nothing.

Thanks government for taking even more of my freedoms away. I appreciate it. /sarcasm

OC for ME said:

Many folks will do nothing and get paid more than your buddy for he doing something, until they must do something themselves for less than what the got when they were doing nothing.

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As it is going it won't be long before the goverment tells you were to work (for the goverment), when to work (all the time), and how much you will make (only the scraps they don't want).


It is called socialism and we are on the fast track.

OC for ME said:

So, exactly how does a unemployed citizen take some personal responsability and buy private health insurance?

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I don't know. How did they buy it before the ruling? COBRA?

Included in the provisions that take effect in 2014 is one that deals with the expansion of Medicaid to those with modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) up to 133% of the federal poverty level (FPL) and insurance premium credits and subsidies for individuals and families with MAGI below 400% FPL.I think basically, if you are unemployed you will be eligable for Medicaid.