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    BLM getting involved in a volunteer-organized NV desert clean-up

    http://nevadashooters.com/showthread.php?t=28343

    Some guys organize themselves to clean up a local shooting spot on public land. Then, they allow the BLM to help. I ask a few questions of their rep...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    http://nevadashooters.com/showthread.php?t=28343

    Some guys organize themselves to clean up a local shooting spot on public land. Then, they allow the BLM to help. I ask a few questions of their rep...
    The last page right now or page 4 is the real issue from Mac. What did you expect Mac? They are from the government here to help.

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    Now where have I heard that before?

    His reply to my question will be interesting. My guess is it will be a non-answer. He deftly ignored my question about the LEO getting paid to watch the volunteer workers.
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    Mac, i have done some research and it has come to my attention you should stop posting as well as the others over on NS who disagree. The very idea of you trying to insight free thinking amongst others in the gun community as a whole is sure to piss people off. The modern day Plebeians are not equipped to think for themselves let alone provide for their own safety. You my friend are getting really close to committing thought crimes and inciting a terrorist raid on trash if you were to attend this event armed. Your treatment of the government is unacceptable. Here we are ready to provide an armed ranger and a law enforcement officer to provide for your safety willing to goes as far as radio an ambulance if you are in need of one and you just piss all over them. This is your last warning, please follow the governments orders and fall in line or there will surly be a rat in a cage atop your head.

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    What the hell kind of event promoted and hosted and organized on a shooters forum asks you to not carry? pfft.

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    lol wut? That thread is a PRIME example of why I don't deal with the retards on NS anymore. Everytime someone links a thread on this site to theirs, I cringe at the thought of having to sign in to view it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    http://nevadashooters.com/showthread.php?t=28343

    Some guys organize themselves to clean up a local shooting spot on public land. Then, they allow the BLM to help. I ask a few questions of their rep...
    Members only just to view? FAIL on the part of the forum owners.

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    Sorry, guys. I didn't realize that.

    If you want a preview, here is post #45, written by yours truly:
    I almost wish I could offer you an apology if this implodes, but then, all I did was ask questions and state my own resolve.

    Allow me to summarize this thread, if you will:

    A concerned citizen sees a need in his community. He has an idea, and asks for help, and organizes some like-minded citizens to come together for the betterment of the community. He uses no government resources in order to accomplish this.

    The people volunteer labor, drinks, snacks, dumping expenses, transportation, etc; everything that is needed.

    Next thing you know, the government steps in. They politely offer "their" resources (though in reality already paid for by our taxes): a big dumpster and transportation of such, water, snacks. Tempting. Offer accepted. Now the catch. There is now paperwork to do, insurance forms to fill out, waivers. There is now a 30-minute mandatory safety briefing (x how many workers = lost productivity). There is now a mandatory stop time (for safety). There will now be non-productive paid supervisors over the volunteer workers.

    And "for safety" (of whom, I wonder), we are to be illegally disarmed during the event.

    Did I miss anything?
    The possible apology part was to the OP, not the BLM.
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    So, you just IGNORE the "official" presence. Go OC, and when confronted, say "I'm not with these guys, I'm just picking up trash!"

    The thing to remember about ad hoc volunteerism is that YOU can "ad hoc" as a solo act, without being part of the organized group. Let them set their rules, and you set your own.

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    Ya wanna really mess'em up? Show up the weekend before the planned event with your own tools and trash bags. Get'r done then sleep in the next weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegaspassat View Post
    lol wut? That thread is a PRIME example of why I don't deal with the retards on NS anymore. Everytime someone links a thread on this site to theirs, I cringe at the thought of having to sign in to view it.
    One just has to view the current thread about not shopping at costco to back that statement up even more. People get feelings hurt over being told that supporting a anti group is a bad thing. With gun owners like those guys we dont need obama or the brady group to take our rights away. They will just give them away for the convenience to shop.

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    so I went and read the costco thread and I think I threw up in my mouth a little. I can't believe that guy had the nerve to say that Erik Scott was to blame for his own murder.

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    this isn't freaking NYC! I carry when I'm awake, period. I live way out in the boonies, no place to store my handgun due to I ride a sportbike anyway.

    In the winter and spring I mostly cc but all I own is a full size glock so with 100 degree temps you bet I'm OC.

    Liberals/control freaks are free to avert their eyes or move to Californistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Guy View Post
    Ya wanna really mess'em up? Show up the weekend before the planned event with your own tools and trash bags. Get'r done then sleep in the next weekend.

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    Heh, that's what I said on the other forum.

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    I don't understand why a cleanup, organized by a group, needs somebody from BLM to organize it more.
    Hoka hey

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    Quote Originally Posted by FallonJeeper View Post
    I don't understand why a cleanup, organized by a group, needs somebody from BLM to organize it more.
    What makes you think you have the right organize anything without the approval of the Kings Minions? You have no right to think anything. You are incapable of thinking on your own. Get in your place slave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FallonJeeper View Post
    I don't understand why a cleanup, organized by a group, needs somebody from BLM to organize it more.
    Not a matter of need. The idea is to use events like this to build goodwill. I would much rather have someone on our side within the BLM than not. One of the best ways to help our agenda is to infiltrate the government entities that normally hinder/hassle us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin View Post
    Not a matter of need. The idea is to use events like this to build goodwill. I would much rather have someone on our side within the BLM than not. One of the best ways to help our agenda is to infiltrate the government entities that normally hinder/hassle us.

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    What makes you think this will put them on "our side"? No, in fact it will do just the opposite. It will just confirm their belief that they are in charge. Participating in this event will not make you one of them. They will simply be training you to get into lock step and follow authority figures.

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    P.S. "infiltrate the government entities" Saying things like this just might get you put on the Homeland Security terrorist watch list.
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    Exactly what I was saying. If I organize an open carry supported cleanup, I don't need some BLM representative/Nevada Shooter Forum member to organize it further.

    I've got this. People volunteering, check. Plastic bags for trash, check. Trucks to haul off trash, check. I also don't need somebody telling me their opinion on how I should pick up trash, or that I should or should not carry. I carry in all of my every day activities, wherever permitted by law. Yes, even when I pick up trash in my own yard. Why would picking up trash on BLM land be any different?
    Hoka hey

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Guy View Post
    What makes you think this will put them on "our side"? No, in fact it will do just the opposite. It will just confirm their belief that they are in charge. Participating in this event will not make you one of them. They will simply be training you to get into lock step and follow authority figures.

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    P.S. "infiltrate the government entities" Saying things like this just might get you put on the Homeland Security terrorist watch list.
    I wasn't suggesting we acquiesce. Just the opposite. No, what I was saying is that it was worth being patient and giving this a chance to work out in a way that we are happy with, while still permitting BLM to be part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FallonJeeper View Post
    Exactly what I was saying. If I organize an open carry supported cleanup, I don't need some BLM representative/Nevada Shooter Forum member to organize it further.
    Agreed and understood. We don't NEED to involve BLM. It's an opportunity to ALLOW BLM to be involved in our cleanup. As long as they are respectful of our constitutional rights to carry, I welcome their involvement. Their is something to be gained by having a positive relationship with our public servants (on OUR terms).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin View Post
    Agreed and understood. We don't NEED to involve BLM. It's an opportunity to ALLOW BLM to be involved in our cleanup. As long as they are respectful of our constitutional rights to carry, I welcome their involvement. Their is something to be gained by having a positive relationship with our public servants (on OUR terms).


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    I agree, "on our terms" is key. I just hate when people jump in and take over, when maybe they were invited, but not asked to lead. That's what the thread looked like from Fallon. ;o)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC-moto450r View Post
    I finally broke down and registered on NS. I can not believe what I read. You rock MAC702, and so do the rest of you from this forum that posted (I could tell who you were, mostly because you had the same user name hahahaha). Thank you all for keeping our Rights "front-of-mind" to the sheeple.

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    I tried NS, it was not for me. We get in sometimes heated discussions here, but in the end I feel like for the most part we are all, if not on the same page on every topic, at least looking in the same direction for an ultimate goal. I felt just the opposite there. Too many over there who are simply looking for arguments, topic be damned. There are people on this board who actually try to get'r done. I'm not so sure about over there. But hey, to each his/her own.

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    Update: The original organizer of the event posted that the BLM has withdrawn from this event.

    I noted a few interesting facts. It was better for them to withdraw from the event than to admit any wrong, illegal requests on their part. They also PUBLICLY offered to "help" (read: takeover), and then apparently privately withdrew.

    Now, here's something else interesting. I was in Pahrump on Sunday. I stopped into Stockpile Defense and talked for a bit with Ron and Steve. Apparently, the BLM has organized a cleanup at one of their hotspots for two weeks after the Sloan cleanup. I made sure they knew about the issue we were having with the Sloan cleanup. They didn't seem too happy about being disarmed. It will be interesting to see what happens out there.
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