DCKilla
Regular Member
A lady hugs an off duty police officer and is shot by his duty pistol. Can you explain this to me?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120709/D9VT4VMO2.html
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120709/D9VT4VMO2.html
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Hugs That Kill
- Thread starter DCKilla
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hjmoosejaw
Regular Member
A tragic occurrence. There are arguments as to what degree of readiness people should carry. IMO, it should have been made PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for this to happen.
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SFCRetired
Regular Member
Personal opinion? There's more to this story than is being told. A properly holstered modern handgun is not, in my experience, just going to "go off" unless and until someone pulls the trigger. There is also the possibility that this officer did not have his weapon holstered. In that case, he needs to face charges. My reasoning? As a police officer, he should be held to a higher standard of professionalism.
I do not see how being "hugged from behind" could make this happen unless one or the other had a hand on the weapon and put a finger on the trigger. Would love to know the brand and model of the weapon. That might, and I say "might", clear up a few points, but not all.
Some of you folks who have far more experience than I do might want to chime in on this.
I do not see how being "hugged from behind" could make this happen unless one or the other had a hand on the weapon and put a finger on the trigger. Would love to know the brand and model of the weapon. That might, and I say "might", clear up a few points, but not all.
Some of you folks who have far more experience than I do might want to chime in on this.
zoom6zoom
Regular Member
According to other sources, it was a S&W M&P .40, IWB holster covered by his shirt. Even with mexican carry of a defective junker, I don't see how someone hugging you from behind gets one in the upper chest....
unless you were surprised, turned, drew, and shot her.
An AD of a holstered sidearm is more likely to strike the carrier.
unless you were surprised, turned, drew, and shot her.
An AD of a holstered sidearm is more likely to strike the carrier.
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Fallschirjmäger
Active member
A lawyer for the Detroit Police Officers Association said it was just a "freak accident". The officer was dancing with his wife when a woman unknown to the couple came up from behind him and 'tugged at his waist."
Hmmmm...
On the one hand we have an inside-the-waistband holster, covering the firearm's trigger, covered by a trouser waistband, covered by a shirt.
On the other hand we have..... a wife and a strange woman.
But that's just speculation and innuendo on my part.
Hmmmm...
On the one hand we have an inside-the-waistband holster, covering the firearm's trigger, covered by a trouser waistband, covered by a shirt.
On the other hand we have..... a wife and a strange woman.
But that's just speculation and innuendo on my part.
SFCRetired
Regular Member
I think you're closer to the mark than I really want to believe. Possibly the husband covering for his wife's actions? Who knows? Doubt if we'll ever get the truth on this one.
Michigander
Regular Member
If it'd had a trigger job, and if he was using a horribly defective shoulder holster, it's far fetched, but not impossible. Still his fault, either way.
Yard Sale
Regular Member
I was thinking his shirt caught between the trigger and holster, taking up most of the trigger travel. Then the hug caused enough movement to break the trigger. What I can't fathom is a lung shot from a hip holster. Fouling a shoulder holster with a shirt seems less likely.
OC for ME
Regular Member
.....sniff.....sniff....this one stinks.
Michigander
Regular Member
Can you link to these stories? And is that all they say?
Even considering the cheapest possible junk of a worn out holster being used as poorly as possible on the belt, with the most extreme freak accident, it does seem beyond absurd that it would be as simple as hug+holstered gun=blast to upper chest. So yeah, more information would be nice.
OC for ME
Regular Member
Ca Patriot
Regular Member
For all the men out there who want to off their wife or girlfriend this is going to be a great cover story for them................ "your honor, she hugged me from behind and i have no idea how she got 2 shots to the head"
Fallschirjmäger
Active member
"...Goldpaugh, who spent several hours with the officer after the shooting, said the veteran beat patrolman was hosting a party at his home and was dancing with his wife when Miller came up behind him and tugged at his waist.
“And the gun went off,” Goldpaugh said. “It’s a fluke accidental shooting.”
The weapon, a department-issued, 40-caliber Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol [M&P series], was in a holster worn inside the officer’s waistband and was covered by his shirt, Goldpaugh said.
Goldpaugh said the physical evidence from the incident corroborated the officer’s account of the shooting. The officer did not know the woman, who attended the party with other guests, Goldpaugh said.) - Freep.com
“And the gun went off,” Goldpaugh said. “It’s a fluke accidental shooting.”
The weapon, a department-issued, 40-caliber Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol [M&P series], was in a holster worn inside the officer’s waistband and was covered by his shirt, Goldpaugh said.
Goldpaugh said the physical evidence from the incident corroborated the officer’s account of the shooting. The officer did not know the woman, who attended the party with other guests, Goldpaugh said.) - Freep.com
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OC for ME
Regular Member
Interesting development.
Ca Patriot
Regular Member
For the trigger to be pulled the deceased women and officer would have to be making some advanced physical contact. He was married.
VW_Factor
Regular Member
LEO was there with his wife. Girl gets flirty (as reported). Wife shoots girl. LEO and wife make up story. Done..
He was carrying IWB concealed by what appears to be the most truthful reports.
Ca Patriot
Regular Member
The party was at his house. All of the witnesses are his friends and his wife friends.
If this had happened at a popular night club and there were independant witnesses it would be more believable.
If this had happened at a popular night club and there were independant witnesses it would be more believable.
since9
Campaign Veteran
"he off-duty holster the officer carried was soft enough for the trigger to be manipulated."
What holster is that soft? His pocket?
Seriously, this is just a sad story.
What holster is that soft? His pocket?
Seriously, this is just a sad story.
DCKilla
Regular Member
Here's an interesting video on fox. It shows a "firearms expert" opinion about neoprene holsters.
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/1...-after-off-duty-detroit-officers-gun-goes-off
There must be a lot of fabric material in the victims wound from all the layers the bullet passed through. I wonder if the bullet expanded before impact.
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/1...-after-off-duty-detroit-officers-gun-goes-off
There must be a lot of fabric material in the victims wound from all the layers the bullet passed through. I wonder if the bullet expanded before impact.
Fallschirjmäger
Active member
Neoprene IWB holster:
Gunshop guy, "How do you manipulate this, I haven't figured it out."
News reporter, "How do you shoot someone in the chest with a holster that's pointed down?"
If you guys were among the only ones 'Professional enough' to carry in Detroit then maybe you'd know. Until then, stop trying to be as smart as they are and just take their word. It's not like they have anything to gain by covering for one of their officers.
Gunshop guy, "How do you manipulate this, I haven't figured it out."
News reporter, "How do you shoot someone in the chest with a holster that's pointed down?"
If you guys were among the only ones 'Professional enough' to carry in Detroit then maybe you'd know. Until then, stop trying to be as smart as they are and just take their word. It's not like they have anything to gain by covering for one of their officers.