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TheQ · Jul 12, 2012

detroit_fan said:
Credit to MOC for helping with this too

Not to shy away from credit, but we can't take any...except the years of tireless work we've done in the past ...maybe it educated and made an impression on the jury before this case even began?

Our focus of advocacy is the lawful open carry of a holstered handgun. As such, we weren't directly involved in this case.

MKEgal · Jul 12, 2012

At approx. 4pm jury sends note to judge asking "Is failure to provide ID sufficient to prove breach of peace?"

:banghead: :cuss:

Does [the police not knowing who you are] = [creating a disturbance] ?
I don't think so.
And I find it disturbing that anyone could think so.

detroit_fan said:
Credit to whomever talked some sense into that anti, and credit to her for doing what's right even if she doesn't agree with it.

My lawyer says that in a criminal trial it takes all the jurors to convict, so if one has reasonable doubt the defendant is found not guilty.
So in this case, it didn't matter what the 'crochity old lady' thought, as long as at least one of the jurors had common sense.
There could have been 6 people voting to "teach the kid a lesson", and one person standing up for civil rights.

protias · Jul 12, 2012

HKcarrier said:

What are the names of these? I want a few.

ken243 said:
Not guilty all counts!

Fantastic! :monkey:banana:

TheQ · Jul 12, 2012

MKEgal said:
:banghead: :cuss:
Does [the police not knowing who you are] = [creating a disturbance] ?
I don't think so.
And I find it disturbing that anyone could think so.

My lawyer says that in a criminal trial it takes all the jurors to convict, so if one has reasonable doubt the defendant is found not guilty.
So in this case, it didn't matter what the 'crochity old lady' thought, as long as at least one of the jurors had common sense.
There could have been 6 people voting to "teach the kid a lesson", and one person standing up for civil rights.

You must have understood your lawyer wrong or he's incompetent.

Any verdict must be unanimous in a criminal trial, otherwise the jury is hung, a mistrial declared, and the prosecution can retry the case with a new jury.

DrTodd · Jul 12, 2012

ken243 said:
I asked him at the first event. He said he just wanted to be cleared and legal fees paid. Not sure how he feels now. Personally I would go for it all. $500k plus

I did too. I told him what would really be humorous is to have them write a check every year for his college tuition, books, and room/board. That way every year they would be reminded how idiotic the PD is.

3fgburner · Jul 12, 2012

ken243 said:
Not guilty all counts!

Huzzah! Now, time for false arrest / harassment suit, methinks. At least to the extent of recovering attorney fees.

DrTodd · Jul 12, 2012

MKEgal said:
:banghead: :cuss:
Does [the police not knowing who you are] = [creating a disturbance] ?
I don't think so.
And I find it disturbing that anyone could think so.

My lawyer says that in a criminal trial it takes all the jurors to convict, so if one has reasonable doubt the defendant is found not guilty.
So in this case, it didn't matter what the 'crochity old lady' thought, as long as at least one of the jurors had common sense.
There could have been 6 people voting to "teach the kid a lesson", and one person standing up for civil rights.

TheQ said:
You must have understood your lawyer wrong or he's incompetent.

Any verdict must be unanimous in a criminal trial, otherwise the jury is hung, a mistrial declared, and the prosecution can retry the case with a new jury.

Q, a little harsh, don't you think. Actually, the number required to render a verdict depends on the jurisdiction. For Sean's situation, the Q is correct. For MKEgal, her lawyer is correct for her jurisdiction, which I believe is Wisconsin.

DocWalker · Jul 12, 2012

I would really like to see the cops on the news in a public place not only appoligize but have to admit they don't know their jobs and are sorry for abusing the trust and authority his bosses place with them.

They should have to do this while holding their hats in their hands.

smellslikemichigan · Jul 12, 2012

DocWalker said:
I would really like to see the cops on the news in a public place not only appoligize but have to admit they don't know their jobs and are sorry for abusing the trust and authority his bosses place with them.

They should have to do this while holding their hats in their hands.

they should also have to re-swear their oath to the constitution

DrTodd · Jul 12, 2012

smellslikemichigan said:
they should also have to re-swear their oath to the constitution

Worked so well the first time... (sarcasm)

TheQ · Jul 12, 2012

DrTodd said:
Q, a little harsh, don't you think. Actually, the number required to render a verdict depends on the jurisdiction. For Sean's situation, the Q is correct. For MKEgal, her lawyer is correct for her jurisdiction, which I believe is Wisconsin.

I'm sorry, I should have realized there was a jurisdictional difference.

In Michigan, the only trials that don't require a unanimous verdict are civil cases.

detroit_fan · Jul 12, 2012

TheQ said:
Not to shy away from credit, but we can't take any...except the years of tireless work we've done in the past ...maybe it educated and made an impression on the jury before this case even began?

Our focus of advocacy is the lawful open carry of a holstered handgun. As such, we weren't directly involved in this case.

my mistake, for some reason i thought moc helped with the lawyer or something. but you are correct, helping desensitize the public on OC acceptance for these past years almost undoubtedly helped the case overall

detroit_fan · Jul 12, 2012

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2012/07/troy_teen_acquitted_of_charges.html

smellslikemichigan · Jul 12, 2012

DrTodd said:
Worked so well the first time... (sarcasm)

ha, i know, i cracked up at the swearing in at the council meeting

stainless1911 · Jul 12, 2012

TheQ said:
Not to shy away from credit, but we can't take any...except the years of tireless work we've done in the past ...maybe it educated and made an impression on the jury before this case even began?

Our focus of advocacy is the lawful open carry of a holstered handgun. As such, we weren't directly involved in this case.

+1. This victory is no doubt, in part on MOC, as well as the rest of us who OC daily.

smellslikemichigan said:
they should also have to re-swear their oath to the constitution

+1 and lol.

Tucker6900 · Jul 12, 2012

detroit_fan said:
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2012/07/troy_teen_acquitted_of_charges.html

The Detroit News reports that 18-year-old Sean M. Combs, who said he was excersizing his Michigan open-carry rights

I have a question for Sean. How do you only exercise your Michigan open carry rights? [sarcasm]

stainless1911 · Jul 12, 2012

Sean, you're a reasonable guy, I figure thats partly why you dont really want to sue, but there's a time and place for that, and this is it. The only way to ensure that they don't do this again, is to sue. Thats how our system works, thats how it was set up. It isn't rubbing salt in the wound, it is finishing what you (rightfully) started, and setting a wrong to a right. You will now have to cover your legal expenses. Something to think about.

Consider what they were willing to do to you and your property, having no regard for you or your rights.

stainless1911 · Jul 12, 2012

Oh, and Sean, you will of course be using some of your winnings to buy yourself a digital voice recorder which you will be carrying everytime you OC from now on, right?

smellslikemichigan · Jul 12, 2012

I'm OC in shain park waiting for touch of india to open at 530

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DanM · Jul 12, 2012

smellslikemichigan said:
they should also have to re-swear their oath to the constitution

Having them lie again won't fix anything. They just need to not be police officers.

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