City of Lansing seeking Donations for Gun Buyback

lil_freak_66 said:

i see no problem with "destroying" certain historic rifles...if say an M44 has the bayo lug cut off, it will never be remotely valuable to a collector. m91/30 with not a single matching # is the same way, refinished stocks and all that demote collector value...now if it was say a matching # remington made nagant or an obrez or something "rare" i wouldnt even consider selling it....but junkers i think are just fine

bought my m44 for $60 at a gunshow,tula russian, original military finish stock and matching #, didnt have the magazine spring, just the floorplate so $10 for the spring from a different dealer...$70 in total, minimal rust and no pitting. i think $300 came off pretty good, and the jeep was already at a low asking price.

willing to sell one of those ammo tins? ive shot all but my last 50 mosin rounds =/

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I'll think about it, all this talk about them has me thinking I should go shooting. I think I might be able to give up one tin.

lil_freak_66 said:

i see no problem with "destroying" certain historic rifles...if say an M44 has the bayo lug cut off, it will never be remotely valuable to a collector. m91/30 with not a single matching # is the same way, refinished stocks and all that demote collector value...now if it was say a matching # remington made nagant or an obrez or something "rare" i wouldnt even consider selling it....but junkers i think are just fine

bought my m44 for $60 at a gunshow,tula russian, original military finish stock and matching #, didnt have the magazine spring, just the floorplate so $10 for the spring from a different dealer...$70 in total, minimal rust and no pitting. i think $300 came off pretty good, and the jeep was already at a low asking price.

willing to sell one of those ammo tins? ive shot all but my last 50 mosin rounds =/

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If someone sliced the bayonet lug off, than yes the history has already been destroyed, but mismatched numbers are a part of the history, it may detract from collector value, but not the historic value. Most Mosin Nagants are mismatched, or force matched as a result of the refurbishment program of the 1970's, in fact mismatched ones are the exception as most were force matched, so a mismatched rifle may have escaped the refurb program in the 70's, and is in actual combat condition, while the collector value may be about the same, historically it's more interesting as unrefurbed rifles are seldom seen.

now your making me feel bad for letting my no-refurb mosin go for only 300 =/

Small_Arms_Collector said:

If someone sliced the bayonet lug off, than yes the history has already been destroyed, but mismatched numbers are a part of the history, it may detract from collector value, but not the historic value. Most Mosin Nagants are mismatched, or force matched as a result of the refurbishment program of the 1970's, in fact mismatched ones are the exception as most were force matched, so a mismatched rifle may have escaped the refurb program in the 70's, and is in actual combat condition, while the collector value may be about the same, historically it's more interesting as unrefurbed rifles are seldom seen.

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I buy them with my FFL 03 and the numbers have always matched. I sold one I had to a GRPD officer for $90, and he was very happy as every one he had ever purchased from one of the local stores had mismatched numbers, usually the bayonets as I recall. Plus he paid well over $100 for them.

Small_Arms_Collector said:

Please do not destroy Historic rifles, if the hoplophobes want to destroy something let them destroy something with no history.

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I always want them to return the stolen guns.
I wounder if they follow this LAW:



28.434 Unlawful possession; weapon forfeited to state; disposal; immunity.
Sec. 14.

(1) Subject to sections 5g and 14a, all pistols, weapons, or devices carried or possessed contrary to this act are declared forfeited to the state, and shall be turned over to the director of the department of state police or his or her designated representative, for disposal under this section.

(2) The director of the department of state police shall dispose of firearms under this section by 1 of the following methods:

(a) By conducting a public auction in which firearms received under this section may be purchased at a sale conducted in compliance with section 4708 of the revised judicature act of 1961, 1961 PA 236, MCL 600.4708, by individuals authorized by law to possess those firearms.

(b) By destroying them.

(c) By any other lawful manner prescribed by the director of the department of state police.

(3) Before disposing of a firearm under this section, the director of the department of state police shall do both of the following:

(a) Determine through the law enforcement information network whether the firearm has been reported lost or stolen. If the firearm has been reported lost or stolen and the name and address of the owner can be determined, the director of the department of state police shall provide 30 days' written notice of his or her intent to dispose of the firearm under this section to the owner, and allow the owner to claim the firearm within that 30-day period if he or she is authorized to possess the firearm.

(b) Provide 30 days' notice to the public on the department of state police website of his or her intent to dispose of the firearm under this section. The notice shall include a description of the firearm and shall state the firearm's serial number, if the serial number can be determined. The department of state police shall allow the owner of the firearm to claim the firearm within that 30-day period if he or she is authorized to possess the firearm. The 30-day period required under this subdivision is in addition to the 30-day period required under subdivision (a).

(4) The department of state police is immune from civil liability for disposing of a firearm in compliance with this section.

Based upon the procedure utilized in other Michigan cities, my understanding is that the PD will run the numbers at some point after the buyback.