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Virgil Goode? Are you KIDDING me?

peter nap

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More reporting on this unbelievable idiot:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/goode-is-bad-for-romney-in-virginia/article/2501786

"Claimed" to switch from D to R... Yeah right... just in time to hand the election to Obama on a silver platter.

TFred

I agree to a point TFred. I know Virgil, had dealings with him while he was in the GA and like him. I also think he needs to sit this one out.

As far as Romney...he's no better than Obama and maybe worse.

Once again we're given a choice between Crabs or the Clap (Sorry ladies:rolleyes: I have no manners:uhoh:)
 

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i agree to a point tfred. I know virgil, had dealings with him while he was in the ga and like him. I also think he needs to sit this one out.

As far as romney...he's no better than obama and maybe worse.

Once again we're given a choice between crabs or the clap (sorry ladies:rolleyes: I have no manners:uhoh:)

isn't it more like herpes and hiv no way to get rid of either one, though one will kill you
 

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I agree to a point TFred. I know Virgil, had dealings with him while he was in the GA and like him. I also think he needs to sit this one out.

As far as Romney...he's no better than Obama and maybe worse.

Once again we're given a choice between Crabs or the Clap (Sorry ladies:rolleyes: I have no manners:uhoh:)
I dunno... setting economics aside (in consideration that this is a firearms forum), I really don't see how you can count the two equal in the only issue that really matters, SCOTUS appointments. Romney would never appoint a Sotomayor or a Kagan.

There is simply no possible way Virgil Goode on the ballot helps our cause, and since Virginia is a key battleground state this year, it is almost a certainty that it will set us back decades, if not centuries, if Obama can replace any one of the Heller and McDonald majority justices.

TFred
 

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I dunno... setting economics aside (in consideration that this is a firearms forum), I really don't see how you can count the two equal in the only issue that really matters, SCOTUS appointments. Romney would never appoint a Sotomayor or a Kagan.

There is simply no possible way Virgil Goode on the ballot helps our cause, and since Virginia is a key battleground state this year, it is almost a certainty that it will set us back decades, if not centuries, if Obama can replace any one of the Heller and McDonald majority justices.

TFred

Look at Romney's real position on gun control. He starts looking more like Obama ll the time.

I think this will be another lose/lose election.
 

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Look at Romney's real position on gun control. He starts looking more like Obama ll the time.

I think this will be another lose/lose election.
That may certainly be, but I think any SCOTUS appointees that he might make to support his other positions would certainly be better than any Obama appointees, who would be picked for their views against every conservative platform.

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That may certainly be, but I think any SCOTUS appointees that he might make to support his other positions would certainly be better than any Obama appointees, who would be picked for their views against every conservative platform.

TFred

i tend to agree, TFred.
i think the one thing Obummer salivates most over is the chance to ideologically change the SCOTUS. it gives me nightmares... :uhoh:
 

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That may certainly be, but I think any SCOTUS appointees that he might make to support his other positions would certainly be better than any Obama appointees, who would be picked for their views against every conservative platform.

TFred


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We can look for a third party prez in 2016..
 

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Based on that article I'm not really a fan. I don't understand the opposition to legal immigration. I'm not a huge fan of Romney, though I don't think he's worse than Obama. Also, as has been pointed out, his Supreme Court appointments could be a lot better. So I do think it would be unfortunate if Goode cost Romney the state.
 

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Based on that article I'm not really a fan. I don't understand the opposition to legal immigration. I'm not a huge fan of Romney, though I don't think he's worse than Obama. Also, as has been pointed out, his Supreme Court appointments could be a lot better. So I do think it would be unfortunate if Goode cost Romney the state.

I have a lot of mixed feelings in this.

I've known Virgil and supported him for more years than I like to remember. When he was in the General Assembly, he was my go to Senator to get bills introduced and passed, or killed. Along with Philpott, he was one of the most powerful legislators in the state. He was intensely protective of his constituents. He endorsed me as Director of a state office once but only after polling his people to make sure none of them were seeking the job.

I have not always agreed with him. There were several weapons bills Virgil introduced that he simply didn't understand what he was asking for. They passed just on his influence, and it took 20 years to get them off the books.
He supported Wilder which I commented at the time, was like supporting a Child Molester for a kindergarten headmaster spot.

When he announced he was running for President, I was mildly in agreement. Obama has low ratings and I thought it was possible for a 3rd party to win. A very remote possibility, but still possible.

Things change and now I don't think he has a chance, but he is popular enough to take a serious chunk of votes. I don't like Romney, not one bit and frankly I don't care if he or Obama wins.....Except for the Supreme Court Nominees.

That puts the ball in another court. That is the only thing that might take me away from the loading bench.
 
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What in the world is this guy thinking? Is he an IDIOT?

Is he really going to stay in the race and hand over Virginia's electoral votes to Obama?

This is about as critical to our self-defense and firearms rights as it can get!

Virgil Goode Says Not To Discount Him In November

TFred

Its called splitting the vote and whether done with good intentions or more devious purposes matters not a bit.
The net result is the SAME.

Fortunately I think that will be very few voters that will climb on that wagon.

Peter, it is not just the SCOTUS nominees that make the difference - it is the whole package that renders unto Caesar that which is not his to claim - Czars: fuel/power, defense spending, banking/mortgage, Socialist v Capitalist, et al, etc, ad nasium.
 

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For those who think there's no difference, there is indeed one major consideration.

Just think what someone who doesn't have to worry about getting relected may (nay, will) try to get away with. At least with a first termer you don't have that as much as an issue.
 

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I hope Obama wins. There is no real difference between Obama and Romney, except an Obama win means more "conservatives" will stay angry. Anger directed at government is good. Romney will do the same things but there will be less anger because he has that (R) in front of his name. The SCOTUS argument doesn't hold up when you actually look at the history. John Roberts is the latest exhibit.

One good thing that could come from a Romney election is national reciprocity. I'm for the abolition of the federal government, but since it ain't going anywhere national carry will normalize guns in the very populous states of CA, NJ, and NY. "Shall Issue" has been absolutely horrible for the "gun control" movement. People won't listen to them now.
 

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I hope NOT !!!!

I suspect many freedom-loving Americans will practice abstinence and stay at home this November.

If that happens, you can count on 4 more years of no leadership from the POTUS because Obama will win by default.

I have never missed an election since I turned 18 and don't intend to miss this one.

Obama has demonstrated his lack of leadership ability and embarrassed America too many times to allow him another 4 years!

Think what he will do to the 2nd Amendment with another 4 years to destroy it.

I value all my rights as an American NOT to vote!
 

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The SCOTUS argument doesn't hold up when you actually look at the history. John Roberts is the latest exhibit.
The only history I need is the past four appointees: Roberts, Alito, Sotomayor and Kagan.

Despite the protests of some, the long term outcome of Roberts' Obamacare decision are still to be seen. I happen to agree with those who believe he did the right thing in the long run, even though we always love the quick and easy out. One cannot, with any intellectual honesty, compare these four justices and make the case that the President who appoints them does not matter.

TFred
 
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