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Thread: Hello, I am Mike From KCMO, nice to meet you, may I join you?

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    Smile Hello, I am Mike From KCMO, nice to meet you, may I join you?

    Hello All,
    I found out about this group via the news (a clip on YouTube, I don't watch real real news ), and I would love to join you on your OC mission. Up till now my activities have mainly consisted of contacting my state and federal representatives through all channels available in support of the good legislation, and vice-versa. Anyway, I think that your approach is probably THE MOST effective in reversing John Q' Public's fear of weapons and therefore eliminating the desire from some to implement gun control in the US from the bottom up(the voters ), and I would love to join your group!! I have lived in KC for 10 years, working for a company called Cerner (Health Care Software company) for my entire time here, before that I worked for IBM and a start-up, and before that I was a Nuclear Electrician in the Navy on Nuke Subs, and before that I worked at least 3 jobs at any given time, the best one as a mechanic at a Toyota dealership (cars are another passion of mine). Here is me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=25458193, and here is me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/michaeldavidcraft. I have a CCW in MO (not that it matters for your movement I don't think), and love to shoot competitively (right now I am only registered in the NSCA for competition sporting clays and I am terrible, but practicing and getting better), and will soon be working on Swiss competition and 3 gun competition. Finally, I am working on creating a LLC as a dealer/gunsmith, and then getting a Class 7 FFL (takes a while , as I am looking to do both as a hobby that sustains itself from a cost perspective, and hopefully by the time I retire from my career, I will be a good enough gunsmith that I will be able to support my family without relying on SS, my plummeting 401K , etc.

    Anyway, I have seen several clips of your gatherings and interviews and it feels like I sort of know some of you so felt like I should introduce myself so we were a bit more "even".

    My next question is, how may I get blessed/approved to join you on all of your future gatherings (and anything else you do) to help your cause? Being a collector and given I compete, I have several side arms and holsters (both shoulder holsters and belt holsters) so if there are other that would like to participate but to not own one (and are not felons ), I would be happy to lend them one with a holster, etc. during the outings. I am mainly a Sig fan, but am really a fan of most, I just happen to gravitate more towards Sigs, so have everything from a Sig P238 the size of a small smart phone to full sized 1911s(Ruger SR1911, Sig), P226, P220, Glock 22 .40 (gen4), etc. for whomever to choose from, once I have met everyone and feel comfortable doing so and those of you that have been doing this for a while "vouch" for them. The last thing that I want is for one of my sidearms to be used to do bad things and hurt your mission!

    Also, I do have several rifles, from tactical (all legal semi-auto, shotguns for competition, etc.), I don't recall seeing anyone carrying any one of those. Those are typically more "scary" (for example, if brought my Sig 556 5.56mm NATO with EOTech Holo and Magnifier, Tac light, Grip Pod, Sling, etc., that even my wife says is pretty intimidating ) so I can understand why you wouldn't (at least not at this point), but was curious if you guys ever do carry long guns and I just didn't see that clip.

    Finally, I have no problem speaking with those of authority calmly and I know my rights and the laws of MO and KS, and have desire to stand behind them, so I would like to join you in your mission before things get worse than they already are.

    Anyway, nice to meet you all, and let me know how I may join you, both in your outings as well as any other activities you are involved in to fix the fear of guns in our current society!!

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    Mike Craft

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    There are no secret handshakes or anything. Heck, you don't even need to have a firearm. Just show up and you will be warmly greeted, I promise.

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    Awesome, so in order to make sure i know what is going on where, do I just sub to posts made to this and the KS forum, or is there an email list to join, or ? Between work, kids, the different forums I visit, and just life in general being hectic, I don't want to miss a meet because I didn't come to this forum at the right time!
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    On the KCMO side we usually have dinner on the second Saturday of the month, you were a couple hours late for this one. So, just look at the forum occasionally and you're in.

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    Lol. Yeah. This isn't a secret club or anything. It's a forum.

    Welcome.
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    You will find OC guys from every state will have meet and greets, everyone is welcome, everyone learns and everyone meets really super people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    You will find OC guys from every state will have meet and greets, everyone is welcome, everyone learns and everyone meets really super people.
    Interesting how that works, for some reason firearms and good people seem to be like PB&J. I have yet to meet anything other than good people at the ranges I visit, competitions, etc. I cannot say the same about work or other activities :/. Looking forward to it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcraft View Post
    Interesting how that works, for some reason firearms and good people seem to be like PB&J. I have yet to meet anything other than good people at the ranges I visit, competitions, etc. I cannot say the same about work or other activities :/. Looking forward to it!
    Welcome....I live in Lees Summit, pm me and we can get together and go hone our skills.....Your observation of the people that are typically at the ranges and competitions, are spot on. But the ANTI-GUN peple, media, ect... always try to say just the opposite..THATS because they have NEVER visited a range OR been to any firearm competitions.
    Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
    Psalm 144:2 My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust; who subdueth my people under me. Pro 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richieg150 View Post
    Welcome....I live in Lees Summit, pm me and we can get together and go hone our skills.....Your observation of the people that are typically at the ranges and competitions, are spot on. But the ANTI-GUN peple, media, ect... always try to say just the opposite..THATS because they have NEVER visited a range OR been to any firearm competitions.
    Well that just sucks . I really don't know what the media says because I never watch the news, (or much TV for that matter, so busy lately, I miss it!). After I was in the military and in a few situations where i knew first hand what was being reported on(where i of course tuned in ), I gave up on the news because I learned what they report vs. reality is crap, they even rearranged an interview my wife gave so it sounded like she was saying something completely different than what she was, boy that pissed me off! Not just because of misquoting my wife's context, but learning just how full of crap our media is, which is supposed to play an important role in our society and abuses it instead for whoever's agenda.

    Anyway, I will def PM ya, unfortunately I have been caught up in some personal things for the last 2 months or so that will be at least another month or so to sort out, and I am trying to keep my job in the process. At first I tried to keep up with at least going to clays competitions (need to get my avg up!!!), but was getting too far behind in my other responsibilities, every hour seems to count lately, and I haven't able to go to one for a month, for example I am missing competition today at Cedar Creek . So it may be a month or so . Really stinks because 1) after saving up for a while finally *just* got my Blaser Luxus O/U for clays (it was used, no way I could afford a new one, and I have used it ONCE, and I have had it for like 6 weeks now), and I have perhaps 6 pieces (both new and used) that I have yet to put a round through. This drives my crazy, need to sight them in, and see how they work! With the bit of spare time I have I am normally multitasking, like now on this forum while waiting for a program to finish running on my work computer. I have been spending quite a bit of time writing state and federal representatives lately too when multitasking, a lot of crappy bills, etc. seem to be surfacing lately, especially this UN ATT treaty, been writing/posting my arse off on that one!!!

    Anyway, you will hear from me though!! BTW, I normally go to Mill Creek (not a member yet, friend takes me), Parma Woods, member at Powder creek, and have heard of but not yet gone to the Bullet Hole (don't need to, cause Mill Creek is awesome ). Where do you go to shoot?
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    I am a member of The Pioneer Gun Club,we have a indoor pistol range near Raytown and the main range, Mcbride is close to Bates City.Heres a link to read up on the range....http://www.pioneergunclub.org/
    Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcraft View Post
    Interesting how that works, for some reason firearms and good people seem to be like PB&J. I have yet to meet anything other than good people at the ranges I visit, competitions, etc. I cannot say the same about work or other activities :/. Looking forward to it!
    Except Glock snobs....
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    I think you misspelled 1911 :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcgunfan View Post
    I think you misspelled 1911 :-)

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    What he said. I've met more 1911 guys who are jerks than glock guys.

    That being said, the ratio of jerk to non-jerk is somewhere in the 1:200 range or something. The vast majority of gun people are truly good people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Except Glock snobs....

    Oh! that wasn't nice!! There you go again....stirring the pot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oramac View Post
    What he said. I've met more 1911 guys who are jerks than glock guys.

    That being said, the ratio of jerk to non-jerk is somewhere in the 1:200 range or something. The vast majority of gun people are truly good people.

    Unfortunately, there are jerks throughout the world. But......there are still fewer than out in the un-armed world!!
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    New to This Forum

    Me (1911) I need a lighter CC fire arm, Not a jerk ...just a ***** ...lol Not a fan of Glocks my self ... I am thinking on a LC-9 for every day CC..any thoughts and nice to meet you all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcraft View Post
    --snip--

    Also, I do have several rifles, from tactical (all legal semi-auto, shotguns for competition, etc.), I don't recall seeing anyone carrying any one of those. Those are typically more "scary" (for example, if brought my Sig 556 5.56mm NATO with EOTech Holo and Magnifier, Tac light, Grip Pod, Sling, etc., that even my wife says is pretty intimidating ) so I can understand why you wouldn't (at least not at this point), but was curious if you guys ever do carry long guns and I just didn't see that clip.
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    Greetings and welcome to OCDO mcraft. There are indeed a load of good people here on the forum - sure that you will enjoy it.

    OCDO is dedicated to promoting and protecting the acceptance of carrying properly holstered handguns as we go about our normal everyday lives. Recommend reading our Forum Rules as they will explain some of our does and don'ts particularly as to long guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrfixitguy View Post
    Me (1911) I need a lighter CC fire arm, Not a jerk ...just a ***** ...lol Not a fan of Glocks my self ... I am thinking on a LC-9 for every day CC..any thoughts and nice to meet you all.
    Welcome to the forum. I hope to see you at our meetings in and around Kansas City..James

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrfixitguy View Post
    Me (1911) I need a lighter CC fire arm, Not a jerk ...just a ***** ...lol Not a fan of Glocks my self ... I am thinking on a LC-9 for every day CC..any thoughts and nice to meet you all.
    WELCOME!!!

    Eventually you will come around to Glocks!!


    Enjoy the forum....great information and opinions! Then there is some not so good info and not so good opinions!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Greetings and welcome to OCDO mcraft. There are indeed a load of good people here on the forum - sure that you will enjoy it.

    OCDO is dedicated to promoting and protecting the acceptance of carrying properly holstered handguns as we go about our normal everyday lives. Recommend reading our Forum Rules as they will explain some of our does and don'ts particularly as to long guns.
    "do's and don'ts"
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    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Except Glock snobs....

    Just out of curiosity.... what exactly do you mean by that? I recently (21 Jul) purchased my first firearm and it happens to be a Glock 30SF. I am not offended and would just like to know the basis of your comment. And does that make you a snob of your own favorite model of firearm?

    Thanks for any response.
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    Originally Posted by OC for ME

    Except Glock snobs....
    Quote Originally Posted by SylntSleepr View Post
    Just out of curiosity.... what exactly do you mean by that? I recently (21 Jul) purchased my first firearm and it happens to be a Glock 30SF. I am not offended and would just like to know the basis of your comment. And does that make you a snob of your own favorite model of firearm?

    Thanks for any response.
    Just light hearted banter as I see it. We poke each other in the eye, because it feels good when we quit and it's free with "membership."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Just light hearted banter as I see it. We poke each other in the eye, because it feels good when we quit and it's free with "membership."
    Oh, OK, I thought maybe there was something else going on I was unaware of as I don't want to fall into that [snob]category. I am VERY new to firearms and am eager to learn the do's and don'ts as well as etiquette. Definitely don't want step on toes. Chose my Glock after researching and 'trying on' several makes and models. I am partial to .45 cal so next purchase will be a classic 1911!

    GREAT SITE BTW..so much info. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcgunfan View Post
    There are no secret handshakes or anything. Heck, you don't even need to have a firearm. Just show up and you will be warmly greeted, I promise.

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    You and I both know there's a secret handshake. Fortunately it usually involves the grip of a firearm!


    Welcome to the board OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrfixitguy View Post
    Me (1911) I need a lighter CC fire arm, Not a jerk ...just a ***** ...lol Not a fan of Glocks my self ... I am thinking on a LC-9 for every day CC..any thoughts and nice to meet you all.
    I found that the LC9 wanted to turn in my hand. That was easily resolved with a Hogue wrap-around grip. As long as you are aware of the long trigger and train on that the the pistol does exactly what it's designed to do. I had no issues with mine, I just parted with it because I had picked it up on a trade.

    You might also explore the Kahr Arms line, the new XDS, the Kimber Solo (if you can find one around 600), and a couple of others in the single-stack genre. If the Glock doesn't work for you it could be the grip angle. I've found that someone who shoots a 1911 avidly will be drawn to the XD or the M&P over the Glock simply due to the grip angle impacting how it feels in the hand. My thing is that the pistol always has to come "center" for me when I extend it outward.

    Not everyone likes them and they certainly don't like everyone.

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