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    Florida Man, 71, shoots at Robbers!

    For what is known at this point, I say BZ Gramps!

    http://gma.yahoo.com/florida-man-71-...opstories.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    i watched the video, looks like a good shoot. he made some tactical mistakes but he was justified in shooting.
    He's 70 .. doesn't care ... "outta my way, whippersnapper! This is old school 1870's style!"

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    "...does have a gun license and is not expected to be charged..."

    Zimmerman had a gun license and WAS charged.

    Same state, and these perps wore hoodies, too.

    So - what's the difference???
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    I think this is awesome. We need to see more videos like this where law abiding, legally armed citizens turn the tables on these thugs. I know they're saying it's likely no charges will be filed, but was he really justified to pursue and shoot the fleeing robbers in the back? By law, isn't your right to use lethal force stopped the moment your target turns and retreats, or as in this case, runs and trips all over each other? In fact, from what I saw, all of his shots were in the back. Of course, if I was in his shoes, I would have waited until the guy turned around before attempting to draw and act. I think the first shot was justified, even if in the back, because he felt others were in danger from the armed perps. But, after the first shot, both perps started high tailing it out of there, and the guy kept chasing and shooting. I hope this doesn't bite him in the rear.

    As a side note, I'm also thankful he didn't shoot anybody else. His one-armed shooting while chasing the perps wasn't ideal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Martin shouldnt have been killed.
    Do you have all the facts? You sound like the rest of the liberal media, trying Zimmerman before the trial. He claims Martin attacked him as he was getting a cell phone to call police, and said he was going to kill him. The fact he was unarmed isn't the end-all deciding factor. If I have a larger, stronger man pinning me on the ground, banging my head on the pavement, saying he's going to kill me, then I would be in fear for my life. I'm not saying Zimmerman is innocent of all wrongdoing, but I'm not going to say Martin shouldn't have been killed. I wasn't there. I don't know all the facts.

    As for shooting in the back, yeah, I agree they could have still shot at him. But, this is hard to argue when you're seen chasing two guys running away from you shooting. Everything I've read about legal use of force states that once the threat attempts to withdraw from a situation, it becomes much harder to say they were still a threat.

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    They were running to summon their posse and return to even the odds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Are you refering to before or after the fight started ?

    It doesnt take a trial or a liberal mentality to see that Martin shouldnt have been killed.

    Zimmerman should have never called the police on Martin.

    Zimmerman should never had approached or confronted Martin.

    Martin was doing nothing illegal and in my opinion nothing suspicious.
    I guess we just gotta agree to disagree. I think Zimmerman was right for calling when he saw someone running between people's houses in the rain one night. If I see some guy I don't recognize running through my neighbors' yard at night, I'm gonna call the cops. What I don't agree with, is when Zimmerman felt the need to get out of his vehicle to pursue Martin. I fully feel the only reason he felt ballsy enough to get out of his car was because he had a pistol in his pants. But that is speculation, and I have no way of proving that. Yeah, we know now that Martin wasn't doing anything illegal, and supposedly had a valid reason for being inside that gated community. It's a bad deal all the way around.

    All that being said, if I ever have a 6'3" lean, muscled guy pinning me down, bashing my head on the ground, telling me he's gonna kill me, he's getting shot. I am not a trained fighter, and I will not wait until I'm unconscious before acting in self defense. Did Zimmerman bring this confrontation on? Looks that way. Did Zimmerman try to retreat, and Martin pursue and attack him? Don't know. He says this is what happened, but there are no witnesses to what really happened other than Zimmerman and the man he killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Martin was doing nothing illegal and in my opinion nothing suspicious.
    I supposed smashing someone's head against the concrete ain't nothin' illegal, eh? BRB, got some heads to smash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    One difference between this case and the Zimmerman case is Treyvon Martin was not armed and he was not engaged in any criminal activity.
    He most certainly was engaged in criminal activity - violent assault against Zimmerman. In many states, repeatedly slamming someone's head into concrete constitutes attempted murder. Is that criminal enough for you?

    Martin shouldnt have been killed.
    Florida State law authorizes the use of deadly force in Zimmerman's situation. Zimmerman never would have been charged if Sharpton and Jackson hadn't opened their yaps to increase their exposure and jump-start their donation gravy train. Even then, it took Holder overstepping the bounds of his authority and sticking his nose into Florida's STATE business before the left-wing state attorney overturned the local justice system's finding that they could not legally press charges given the nature of the circumstances.

    Florida state still can't legally press charges. That they're doing so anyway is testimony as to how ridiculously over-politicized this issue has become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Martin was doing nothing illegal and in my opinion nothing suspicious.
    If you see some guy in your back yard in the middle of the night,, in the rain, would you or would you not consider this suspicious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Zimmerman should never had approached or confronted Martin.
    Really? You know there is an eye witness that will testify otherwise.

    The 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer said that when he got out of his car, Martin approached him suddenly. Zimmerman reached into his pocket to call 911 for a second time and Martin punched him in the face, breaking his nose. In the ensuing struggle, Zimmerman claims he heard the teenager say, "you’re going to die tonight." http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/07/18/george_zimmerman_interview_fox_news_sean_hannity_l ands_first_interview_with_trayvon_martin_shooter_. html

    when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
    Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police.
    Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now," or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose.
    Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.http://articles.businessinsider.com/...p-suv-dispatch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Zimmerman should never had approached or confronted Martin.
    Whether or not this is true, is has no bearing whatsoever on the shooting.
    There are tons of examples of legal things people shouldn't do or places people shouldn't go. But these do not strip anyone of their right to defend themselves.

    Maybe I shouldn't go knocking on a door of a know gang member to sell girl scout cookies... but if he comes to the door and decides to bash my head in I will still try to survive. And that should not be a crime.
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    To me, there was only one problem with the Zimmerman case. It was not about morals, right or wrong. It was the media stirring up trouble, as if it needed a catalyst at all. They manipulated the facts and played on peoples emotions to put Zimmerman on the cross before ANY evidence what-so-ever was presented. Hell, when I first saw the case I thought it was a black little boy who had been jumped and shot by a white guy over his race. It scares me how easily information can be skewed to misinform and how much power the media holds. So many people will believe anything the media says without one shred of evidence. We are a nation easily fooled by propaganda.


    On to the old man now.. One epic fella. Leave it to an old man to take care of business. Would of been much better if he had shouted "GET OFF MY LAWN" to get their attention. Reminds me of epic beard guy a little bit. Guess hoodlums are not as cool as they think they are when someone else has a gun.

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    You stated "Martin shouldn't have been killed [...] he was doing nothing illegal"

    You're right, he was doing nothing illegal, until he started doing something illegal. Sure, Zimmerman didn't have to call the police, or follow Martin. But neither of which is illegal, Martin didn't have to assault Zimmerman, which is illegal. Martin is the only one to blame for Martin's death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Learn to read. I said he was doing nothing illegal or suspicious to warrant the call to police and for Zimmerman to confront him.

    I know this board is full of keyboard commandos who like to think they can save the neeighboorhood with their gun, but Zimmerman is a great example of why you shouldnt.

    Do any of you guys have $350,000 burning a hole in your pocket for legal fees ?

    Do you have a month or two to spend in solitary confinement in jail ?

    Do you have the next 2-3 years of your life to dedicate to staying out of jail for the next 20 years ?

    If so, then by all means call the police if you see someone walking down a street a night. If thats not good enough, get your gun and go chase after him. If thats still not good enough, jump out of your car and confront him.

    You can sleep well at night knowing that you protected your family and your neighboorhood from..........nothing.
    This is good advice. If you see some one skulking around your neighbors house possible looking to rob or rape someone go back inside and lock the doors and pop the cork on a bottle of wine. It's not your problem........ The american way baby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    We'll have to wait until all the facts are out.

    However, when I was 17 and even still today as a 35 yr old, if I was walking down a street at night and some strange adult started following me and I then made an attempt to get away from that person and they started chasing me, I would be in full "fear for my life" mode.

    George Zimmerman put Treyvon Martin in "fear for my life" mode. That is George Zimmermans fault.

    If you dont think there is anything wrong or illegal with that, then jump in your car and find a 17 yr old girl walking along the street and start following her. When she starts to run, jump out of your car and chase after her.

    I would contend that Treyvon Martin had a reasonable fear that his life was in danger. I would contend that the facts PROVE Martin was right to have a fear for his life.
    Which "facts" are you refering to? The ones that the media spewed (and were quickly de-bunked as liberal/anti-gunner mythology) in the days immediately after the shooting? Or the many other facts that have long since come to light? You got some catching-up to do, sport. Z never jumped out and "confronted" anyone, and never "chased" anyone anywhere.
    Read up, we will await your apology.


    Now, back to the topic at-hand, since we've managed to side-track this thing to hell and back..
    Good bold, aggressive action from the old guy- but... a bit on the wreckless side. He's fortunate that little old lady didnt just wander right into his line of fire, like she was headed towards doing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Learn to read. I said he was doing nothing illegal or suspicious to warrant the call to police and for Zimmerman to confront him.
    You keep saying Zimmerman approached/confronted Martin. Where is this fact? An eye witness has make the official statement that Zimmerman was approach/confronted by Martin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Learn to read. I said he was doing nothing illegal or suspicious to warrant the call to police and for Zimmerman to confront him.
    Really? Perhaps you should do some more reading, yourself. Zimmerman did not confront Martin, Ca Patriot. It was Martin who confronted, then attacked Zimmerman. Details. If there was any doubt in the minds of Sanford PD investigators that this wasn't a bona-fide case of self-defense, they would have charged Zimmerman themselves. They didn't. It wasn't until Holder pressured Florida that the state attorney filed charges herself.

    By the way, poking around a neighborhood in the rain while wearing a hooding is suspicious, especially when that neighborhood had been repeatedly burglarized in recent months. You bet that sort of behavior warrants a call to the police.

    The rest of this troll post...

    I know this board is full of keyboard commandos who like to think they can save the neeighboorhood with their gun, but Zimmerman is a great example of why you shouldnt.

    Do any of you guys have $350,000 burning a hole in your pocket for legal fees ?

    Do you have a month or two to spend in solitary confinement in jail ?

    Do you have the next 2-3 years of your life to dedicate to staying out of jail for the next 20 years ?

    If so, then by all means call the police if you see someone walking down a street a night. If thats not good enough, get your gun and go chase after him. If thats still not good enough, jump out of your car and confront him.

    You can sleep well at night knowing that you protected your family and your neighboorhood from..........nothing.
    ...is troll's bait.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    We'll have to wait until all the facts are out.
    All the facts are already out. Zimmerman spotted a suspcious-acting Martin, followed him, and called 911. They told him not to pursue, he said, "Ok," and was returning to his truck with Martin attacked him, breaking his nose, knocking him to the ground, and bashing his head against the concrete.

    I was walking down a street at night and some strange adult started following me and I then made an attempt to get away from that person and they started chasing me, I would be in full "fear for my life" mode.
    What attempt might that be? What Martin should have done, instead of illegally committing aggravated assault on Zimmerman? As Jack House mentioned, that was the first illegal act committed that evening, and it was a doozy! Certainly serious enough to warrant the use of deadly force in self-defense.

    I know a guy who died after his head kissed the concrete once.

    Again, the facts: Zimmerman was returning to his truck with Martin attacked him, breaking his nose, knocking him to the ground, and bashing his head against the concrete. At some point during the short struggle, Zimmerman was able to reach his firearm and used it in justifiable self-defense. As the aforementioned article stated: "If Zimmerman is telling the truth — as police evidently believe and as some witnesses reportedly confirm — this isn’t even a “stand your ground” case. It’s a straight-up case of self-defense, no matter how unwise or bigoted Zimmerman may have been in reporting Martin to police and leaving his vehicle to begin pursuing him."
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    There are plenty of threads on the Zimmerman/Trayvon shooting. Let's get back on topic, which is the Internet cafe shooting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    However, when I was 17 and even still today as a 35 yr old, if I was walking down a street at night and some strange adult started following me
    then I would immeadiately jump the person and try to pound their head into the pavement because that would be completely justified...

    heh heh heh.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medic1210 View Post
    There are plenty of threads on the Zimmerman/Trayvon shooting. Let's get back on topic, which is the Internet cafe shooting...
    cafe shooting is stuck with a fork: BG try to rob/hurt innocent people, hero with a gun stops them, BG are butt-hurt that god didn't protect them during their endeavor..... case closed

    back to Zimmermam
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