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    Romney - the Pro-Gun candidate? Who believes this rubbish?

    If I was in the GOP, I would have voted for Paul ...

    I spit up my milk when I heard Romney saying he was pro-gun...hahahaha

    I hope nobody actually believes him on this point. Who knows what he will do IF he wins.

    This is the best the GOP can do? Bush Jr. and this guy for the past 20 yrs????

    I liked the guy from "The Rent is too Damn High Party" over Romney ... at least he gave me some chuckles
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    Romney is a political opportunist, and that is not necessarily a bad thing. He responds to the majority of his constituents whoever they may be. As long as the Tea Party stays strong Romney will stay in the right corner, with some waffling. I highly doubt he will be thumb nosing the majority of the people. If supporting the 2A is good for him politically he will. Gun control has been a disaster for presidents costing them support, I doubt even Obama will call for more gun control, but he will pass it if it comes across his desk. Our biggest worry is getting a more left swinging court, I don't think that will happen with Romney. If the courts swing to the left then progressives on both sides will get more aggressive and we WILL lose our guns. Just like commonwealth countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Romney is better than Obama.
    [snippers].
    The GOP are running on that. I am sure they will stand a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    The GOP are running on that. I am sure they will stand a chance.
    I have often said Romney is a liberal in conservative clothing. I voted for Santorum.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    I could never vote for the man who prays to the god Elohim on the planet Kolob who beamed down to earth to have sex with Mary to create Jesus. And he's pretty high up in this cult.

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    Elbow room, please

    What is it with people who think everyone should come to a position about every issue when they are thirteen, and never change their minds? I was anti 2nd Amendment, anti capitalist, and anti a lot of things that I now support. I learned and evolved. Ronald Reagan was a liberal democrat who supported abortion, but ended up being the complete opposite. Gov. Perry was a democrat before switching. After the '94 republican "takeover" in the house and senate, approximately 100 democrats in the nation switched to republican. It is not wrong to switch your position on an issue, especially after careful consideration. To show my neutrality, I will also mention that John Lindsey and Arlen Spector were republicans before switching to democrats, and don't give me the "THEY WERE NEVER REPUBLICANS TO BEGIN WITH." Now, if a person switched back and forth 4 or 5 times within, say, a 10-year period, then questions should arise. But for crying out loud, when a person switches, let's congratulate the occasion. Isn't that what it's all about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    The GOP are running on that. I am sure they will stand a chance.
    What? You didn't think the Obama is better than Bush campaign didn't work for ya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Romney is better than Obama.
    The only thing resembling pro gun which Bush did which I can think of is signing the 50 state cop carry law. Some may remember he said he'd renew the damn klinton ban if it came to his desk. Some may be like me, and resent his dad and Reagan for their anti gun crap, such as banning the import of Norinco's, banning machine guns, and banning carry in the PRK.

    Obama at least begrudgingly signed the national park carry law.

    Mit Rawmoney has a history of being anti gun. I have about as much faith in him as I do in his predecessors, which is none at all. There may be some merit to saying we need him to pick a right wing SCOTUS judge for the sake of gun rights. But in any case, I'm not holding my breath for a "pro gun" president. I'm 26, and there hasn't been one since long before I was born.

    So long as no one tries to get stupid and do another klinton style ban, I do believe at the national level, guns have become like abortion. A fake/stalled issue which the right wing uses for muscle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy1 View Post
    I have often said Romney is a liberal in conservative clothing. I voted for Santorum.
    Bush was a progressive running as a conservative, did you vote for him? I didn't think much of Santy, the only real choice IMO was RP, BUT no the person who actually represented us was made fun of for actually believing in the same things most of us do.

    Most politicians are progressive, on both sides, it just depends on which constituents they are trying to serve that sets their tone. RP was the only one who I actually believed he believed what he said. We blew it big time, and now need to make the best of the choice we have. ABO

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Bush was a progressive running as a conservative, did you vote for him? I didn't think much of Santy, the only real choice IMO was RP, BUT no the person who actually represented us was made fun of for actually believing in the same things most of us do.

    Most politicians are progressive, on both sides, it just depends on which constituents they are trying to serve that sets their tone. RP was the only one who I actually believed he believed what he said. We blew it big time, and now need to make the best of the choice we have. ABO
    Which is why I voted for Santorum, of the available canidates I felt he was MY best choice. I did vote for Bush (both of them) because I believed they were a better option than the Democratic candidate, that doesn't mean I felt they were the best candidate. I chose to vote for whom had the better chance of winning, not necessarily who I thought was the best candidate. I know that some feel that voting for whom I didn't think was the best is a wasted vote, but I felt that of the 2 main party candidates Bush was the better choice. Like it or not the USA has turned into a 2 party country, Republican versus Democrat. Parties like the Tea party, Socialist and Communist parties are considered "fringe" parties and are not given much credence. The Tea Party however has been gaining ground and will hopefully become one of the recognized parties.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    President Obama would like authorities to have more tools to keep guns out of the hands of felons, but knows that he is stuck with existing law. Guns will never be among his priorities.

    Governor Romney has no core beliefs about guns (or much else) either way.

    Neitiher of these guys would get the opportunity to sign anti-gun legislation in their terms of office.

    But Romney is more likely to cause further damage to people's ability to enforce their civil rights, including their rights under the Second Amendment.

    If you can't get redress for 2nd Amendment and other constitutional violations, what does it matter what your rights are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Donkey View Post
    President Obama would like authorities to have more tools to keep guns out of the hands of felons, but knows that he is stuck with existing law. Guns will never be among his priorities.

    Governor Romney has no core beliefs about guns (or much else) either way.

    Neitiher of these guys would get the opportunity to sign anti-gun legislation in their terms of office.

    But Romney is more likely to cause further damage to people's ability to enforce their civil rights, including their rights under the Second Amendment.

    If you can't get redress for 2nd Amendment and other constitutional violations, what does it matter what your rights are?
    You base this on what??

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjpro2a View Post
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    romney and reagan should never be uttered on the same page or book

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    You base this on what??
    I mainly base it on Romney's statements about the kinds of Judges he would appoint, and what those Judges have had to say about key issues like sovereign immunity, qualified immunity, and the 11th Amendment.

    Secondly, Romney has spouted plenty of glittering generalities about the Constitution, but seems confused about the idea that laws and bills of rights place limitations on the rights of the executive when the chips are down:

    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNu-8zMubZI


    ROMNEY: "But our focus has to be on preventing an attack, and preventing attack means good intelligence work. It means if people are coming to this country terrorizing or talking about terror in such a way that it could lead to the violent death of Americans, we need to know about that, track them, follow them, and make sure that in every way we can we know what they’re doing and where they’re doing it.

    And if it means we have to go into a mosque to wiretap or a church, then that’s exactly where we’re going to go because we’re going to do whatever it takes to proect the American people. And I hear from time to time people say, hey, wait a second, we have civil liberties we have to worry about. But don’t forget the most important civil liberty I expect from my government is my right to be kept alive, and that’s what we’re going to have to do." September 5, 2007: GOP Presidential Debate, Whittemore Center, University of New Hampshire, New Hampshire

    2. ROMNEY: ". . . And for those that understand the difference between the two, they recognize that we need tools when war is waged domestically to ensure that, as president of the United States, you can fulfill your first responsibility, which is to protect the life, liberty and property of American citizens and defend them from foes domestic and foreign.

    And that means, yes, we'll use the Constitution and criminal law for those people who commit crimes, but those who commit war and attack the United States and pursue treason of various kinds, we will use instead a very different form of law, which is the law afforded to those who are fighting America."

    3. Q: Does the president have inherent powers under the Constitution to conduct surveillance for national security purposes without judicial warrants, regardless of federal statutes?
    A: Intelligence and surveillance have proven to be some of the most effective national security tools we have to protect our nation. Our most basic civil liberty is the right to be kept alive and the President should not hesitate to use every legal tool at his disposal to keep America safe. Source: Boston Globe questionnaire on Executive Power , Dec 20, 2007

    Do you think this sort of guy is likely to let you keep your guns when the chips are down?
    Do you think he is as likely to appoint judges who will let you sue if the cops take them away from you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Donkey View Post
    I mainly base it on Romney's statements about the kinds of Judges he would appoint, and what those Judges have had to say about key issues like sovereign immunity, qualified immunity, and the 11th Amendment.

    Secondly, Romney has spouted plenty of glittering generalities about the Constitution, but seems confused about the idea that laws and bills of rights place limitations on the rights of the executive when the chips are down:

    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNu-8zMubZI


    ROMNEY: "But our focus has to be on preventing an attack, and preventing attack means good intelligence work. It means if people are coming to this country terrorizing or talking about terror in such a way that it could lead to the violent death of Americans, we need to know about that, track them, follow them, and make sure that in every way we can we know what they’re doing and where they’re doing it.

    And if it means we have to go into a mosque to wiretap or a church, then that’s exactly where we’re going to go because we’re going to do whatever it takes to proect the American people. And I hear from time to time people say, hey, wait a second, we have civil liberties we have to worry about. But don’t forget the most important civil liberty I expect from my government is my right to be kept alive, and that’s what we’re going to have to do." September 5, 2007: GOP Presidential Debate, Whittemore Center, University of New Hampshire, New Hampshire

    2. ROMNEY: ". . . And for those that understand the difference between the two, they recognize that we need tools when war is waged domestically to ensure that, as president of the United States, you can fulfill your first responsibility, which is to protect the life, liberty and property of American citizens and defend them from foes domestic and foreign.

    And that means, yes, we'll use the Constitution and criminal law for those people who commit crimes, but those who commit war and attack the United States and pursue treason of various kinds, we will use instead a very different form of law, which is the law afforded to those who are fighting America."

    3. Q: Does the president have inherent powers under the Constitution to conduct surveillance for national security purposes without judicial warrants, regardless of federal statutes?
    A: Intelligence and surveillance have proven to be some of the most effective national security tools we have to protect our nation. Our most basic civil liberty is the right to be kept alive and the President should not hesitate to use every legal tool at his disposal to keep America safe. Source: Boston Globe questionnaire on Executive Power , Dec 20, 2007

    Do you think this sort of guy is likely to let you keep your guns when the chips are down?
    Do you think he is as likely to appoint judges who will let you sue if the cops take them away from you?
    None of that would give the impression that Romney would appoint a liberal judge, but Obama has already stated his opinion on the high court and it's use in social engineering.

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    Reagan signed the 1986 Machine Gun Ban.

    The Assault Weapons Ban expired under Bush 43, for which he is currently being criticized by the left.

    Obama has already told the Brady bunch he was working under the radar for more gun control.

    I have two choices, one of which will be elected President and probably appoint two SC Justices, Romney or Obama.

    I'll vote for Romney. The search for the perfect is the enemy of the good.

    IMO, if Obama is re-elected, and free to operate, our gun rights are in serious danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    None of that would give the impression that Romney would appoint a liberal judge, but Obama has already stated his opinion on the high court and it's use in social engineering.
    When details are important, labels like "liberal" and "conservative" don't take you so far: Romney's so-called "conservative" model judges have championed legal doctrines that make constitutional rights, including Second Amendment rights, unenforceable. Ask anyone on this board who has had to sue after the police disregarded carry laws which Justices wrote the decisions that caused them problems in their cases.

    Romney seems to have this vague idea that he can suspend Constitutional rights if necessary to protect "life, liberty and property" -- or maybe just if it makes him sound like a tough guy.

    Perhaps this concept of "social engineering" needs broadening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Donkey View Post
    When details are important, labels like "liberal" and "conservative" don't take you so far: Romney's so-called "conservative" model judges have championed legal doctrines that make constitutional rights, including Second Amendment rights, unenforceable. Ask anyone on this board who has had to sue after the police disregarded carry laws which Justices wrote the decisions that caused them problems in their cases.

    Romney seems to have this vague idea that he can suspend Constitutional rights if necessary to protect "life, liberty and property" -- or maybe just if it makes him sound like a tough guy.

    Perhaps this concept of "social engineering" needs broadening.
    You are grasping because you wish Obama reelected, I worry more about so called 2A supporters that would not only vote for but push someone like Obama than Romney. We have already seen how Obama acted with the Keller case, and he has already made it clear he would like to legislate from the high court.

    I am not much for dictators, and snake oil salesman~Obama needs to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    You are grasping because you wish Obama reelected, I worry more about so called 2A supporters that would not only vote for but push someone like Obama than Romney. We have already seen how Obama acted with the Keller case, and he has already made it clear he would like to legislate from the high court.

    I am not much for dictators, and snake oil salesman~Obama needs to go.
    Not grasping, but wish him reelected.

    Keller case = Heller case, I assume. Both Obama & Romney will appoint judges who support that decision.

    Where has Obama "made clear he would like to legislate from the high court?"

    Dictator, huh? Now who's been sipping the snake oil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy1 View Post
    I have often said Romney is a liberal in conservative clothing. I voted for Santorum.
    And I've heard Romney described as "Obama lite".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Donkey View Post
    Not grasping, but wish him reelected.

    Keller case = Heller case, I assume. Both Obama & Romney will appoint judges who support that decision.

    Where has Obama "made clear he would like to legislate from the high court?"

    Dictator, huh? Now who's been sipping the snake oil?
    Of course you wish him reelected that is why you are trying to feed misinformation.

    In 2001 State Senator Obama made statements in a interview with Chicago Public Radio he would use the Supreme Court to redistribute wealth.

    In 2008 in his campaign he said he had two criteria for supreme court qualifications, one of those was empathy.

    In appointing Justice Sotomayor, President Obama remarked that she had a terrific life story and a great deal of empathy for her fellow man.

    Obama publicly scolded the SCOTUS for not ruling in his favor in a State of the Union address

    Honestly you would think you would know more about your Messiah...

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    It's actually funny that Obama supporters attack on Romney is that he is like Obama...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    It's actually funny that Obama supporters attack on Romney is that he is like Obama...
    Romney is like President Obama. That's not an attack, well, from me at least. I am looking forward to most of you weave your way through justifying a vote for Romney when he is in fact Obama-lite-right.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Romney is like President Obama. That's not an attack, well, from me at least. I am looking forward to most of you weave your way through justifying a vote for Romney when he is in fact Obama-lite-right.
    So is this a racial remark? Seems you are implying that Romney is another black president only liter. You progressives sure puzzle me, I can just imagine the uproar if Obama was refereed to as Romney-dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    So is this a racial remark? Seems you are implying that Romney is another black president only liter. You progressives sure puzzle me, I can just imagine the uproar if Obama was refereed to as Romney-dark.
    You should read the post more carefully, I didn't type Light, I typed Lite.--there is a difference. (A little reading material for you: http://grammarist.com/words/lite/). I'm sure a sophisticated person as yourself already knows this.
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    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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