Interest in open carry demonstration in Springfield MO?

tittiger · Jul 23, 2012

I am proposing an open carry vigil here in Springfield complete with video, stills, and a press release.

I think pointing out the insanity of government disarming people so that they can be slaughtered
is the most honorable thing that could be done for the families and victims.

A board member in Aurora CO is considering a protest there:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...demonstration-in-Aurora&p=1793218#post1793218

Send him your encouragement, and if you can not be there hold your own protest locally.
Document what you do the alternative media will be very interested.

REALteach4u · Jul 23, 2012

A couple of important suggestions before proceeding farther.

Get a lawyer and have them on retainer before hand.
Understand the RMSO involving the promotion of civil disorder and know that such a demonstration could fall under that statute.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5740000070.HTM

Understand the refusal to disperse statute.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5740000060.HTM

Obtain any and all permits that might be needed.
Involve/engage local law enforcement on the matter and keep them in the loop.
Make 100% sure you have people who will remain calm and professional at this, the whackos will get everyone arrested.
Involve/engage the media cautiously.
Have dedicated videographers on-hand. (remember this is a two way street, it can condemn as fast as it exhonnerates)

Cautiously select a location that will give you excellent exposure while not creating a ruckus or making it easy for LE to charge you with a crime or some sort of municipal violation.

Engage the CCW crowd on this as well. It impacts everyone, make it a "team" effort.
It might be more important to touch on the vigil side of things rather than using it as a political springboard.

tittiger · Jul 23, 2012

I agree with you on everything other than the permit.

A free person in a free country does not ask for permission to speak,
on public property. If you do so you are asking for escalating tyranny.

"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." ~ Frederic Douglass

Again I suggest not getting a permit except in a circumstance where say you want to shut down a street. Normal legal first
amendment behavior does not require permission.

OC for ME · Jul 23, 2012

Just one town's little view on public gatherings.

SECTION 210.225: UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY: A person commits the offense of unlawful assembly if he/she knowingly assembles with six (6) or more other persons and agrees with such persons to violate any of the criminal laws of this State or of the United States with force or violence.

SECTION 210.228: OBSTRUCTING PUBLIC PLACES:

A. Definition. The following term shall be defined as follows:

PUBLIC PLACE: Any place to which the general public has access and a right of resort for business, entertainment or other lawful purpose, but does not necessarily mean a place devoted solely to the uses of the public. It shall also include the front or immediate area of any store, shop, restaurant, tavern or other place of business and also public grounds, areas or parks.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person to stand or remain idle either alone or in consort with others in a public place in such manner so as to:

1. Obstruct any public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building by hindering or impeding or tending to hinder or impede the free and uninterrupted passage of vehicles, traffic or pedestrians;

2. Commit in or upon any public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building any act or thing which is an obstruction or interference to the free and uninterrupted use of property or with any business lawfully conducted by anyone in or upon or facing or fronting on any such public street, public highway, public sidewalk, or any other public place or building, all of which prevents the free and uninterrupted ingress, egress and regress, therein, thereon and thereto;

3. Obstruct the entrance to any business establishment, without so doing for some lawful purpose, if contrary to the expressed wish of the owner, lessee, managing agent or person in control or charge of the building or premises.

C. When any person causes or commits any of the conditions in this Section, a Police Officer or any Law Enforcement Officer shall order that person to stop causing or committing such conditions and to move on or disperse. Any person who fails or refuses to obey such orders shall be guilty of a violation of this Section.

http://z2codes.sullivanpublications.com/sullivan/Z2Browser2.html?showset=wentzvilleset

Some political subdivision may have ordinances that limit the size of any gathering of citizens in public. Know the law and abide by the law.

tittiger · Jul 23, 2012

There is a huge difference between legal, and lawful, and no matter how many scum bags meet in a capital to make something the law, does not make it so.
This law you provide violates a slew of God given inalienable rights.

You are basically saying we have no right of free speech when a bunch of psychopaths meet in a room and vote to take if from us.
The Declaration says:

".....That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government,.........

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security...."

I think it is way past time to throw off any government that would write a piece of treasonous garbage such as what you showed me.

Is it any wonder we are where we are at, when everyone goes along with a tyrannical government outlawing free speech by requiring a permit?
A permit means by definition that you have no such right!

"A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law." ~ Justice John Marshall
(1755-1835) US Supreme Court Chief Justice

There are really no effective checks, and balances when government becomes tyrannical. That is the illusion that keeps the masses placated.
There are virtually no effective, and accessible means for your average citizen to address the crimes committed by the psychopaths that euphemistically call themselves government. Could you dsign a more blatant display of tyranny than this supposed law?

Festus_Hagen · Jul 23, 2012

tittiger said:
There is a huge difference between legal, and lawful, and no matter how many scum bags meet in a capital to make something the law, does not make it so.
This law you provide violates a slew of God given inalienable rights.

Uh... yes it does . :uhoh:

tittiger said:
You are basically saying we have no right of free speech when a bunch of psychopaths meet in a room and vote to take if from us.
I think it is way past time to throw off any government that would write a piece of treasonous garbage such as what you showed me.

Is it any wonder we are where we are at, when everyone goes along with a tyrannical government outlawing free speech by requiring a permit?
A permit means by definition that you have no such right!

So .... what do you suggest happen to ... " fix " the " problems " you speak of ?

LMTD · Jul 23, 2012

tittiger said:
There is a huge difference between legal, and lawful, and no matter how many scum bags meet in a capital to make something the law, does not make it so.
This law you provide violates a slew of God given inalienable rights.

You are basically saying we have no right of free speech when a bunch of psychopaths meet in a room and vote to take if from us.
The Declaration says:

Could you dsign a more blatant display of tyranny than this supposed law?

No, what is being said is simply to have legal representation availible as there are indeed laws that whether one agrees with them or not, can land you in jail without regard for what is JUST and that is the point, we have a LEGAL system, not a JUSTICE system and what you are proposing has some risk one should consider and prepare for in order to retain ones freedom.

wolfgangmob · Jul 23, 2012

I already feel this will go badly and end in arrests, you are wanting to KNOWINGLY violate the law as it is written, these posts prove it and can be used against you very easily if you really get into a bad situation. There is peaceable protest and there is what you are seeming to want to do, if you disagree with a law that stands in your way make it part of a LEGAL protest but don't violate it while representing lawful carry.

kcgunfan · Jul 23, 2012

You have failed to explain exactly what you would be demonstrating either for or against. That would be a good place to start.

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Boba Fett · Jul 23, 2012

I'm going to have an open carry meet 'n greet (eat) on my birthday here in Springfield. Anyone's invited. Once I pick a restaurant I'll make a thread. My birthday's on August 2nd, a Thursday.

Interest in open carry demonstration in Springfield MO?

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