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    City of Aurora, Colorado would have arrested anyone who stopped the Batman massacre

    Sorry, couldn't get the full title of the article in the subject line.


    Read this pile of work..........

    http://www.naturalnews.com/036549_Au...fiscation.html
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    You know.. I'm a firm supporter of the First Amendment.. but.. when you start writing fiction novels and claiming they are reality.. someone should really have a 'talk' with the writers..

    Anyway.... good catch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadetreezj View Post
    Sorry, couldn't get the full title of the article in the subject line.


    Read this pile of work..........

    http://www.naturalnews.com/036549_Au...fiscation.html
    WOW! i don't think i read one shred of truth in the entire article, clearly these guys did not do there research and are making up whatever they want as they go along, so sad when everyone is a expert and there wrong. Advocating the wrong laws to the Sheeple does more damage to OC than one could imagine and they just keep the ball rolling with there uneducated comments. makes me sad to think guy that wrote that has probably never even visited Colorado, and clearly do not care about providing mis information. He should not be able to print such lies without someone, Editor, or someone verifying that even one thing he said was true which i cant find anything thats even remotely correct.
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    Wha wha wha???? The author really got a lot of "facts" wrong! Wow...just wow...

    Whatever happened to integrity in journalism?

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    What a tool. He contradicts his own article here (Depending on which one he wrote first)

    http://www.naturalnews.com/036537_Ja..._shooting.html

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    he needs to read the statutes.....

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    Another Outrage Foist on Aurora!

    Howdy Folks!
    I think ya'll have a pretty good idea where I'm at on this forum. I am not one to throw insult, but endeavor to respond with respect even when others are abusive and rude. I try very hard to be respectful of others and have striven to help set a tone of civility on the Colorado forum, even in the face of some foolishness we've seen here in the past. As a result, we have one of the best boards on OCDO, and folks here get along real well, regardless of whether we agree on specific issues or not. We manage to debate our positions without name calling, insults or flaming one another. At the end of the day, I believe everybody who makes the Colorado board part of their day all comport themselves in a manner we canall be proud of.

    That being said.............................

    The people responsible for the article claiming absurdities can only be either blatantly lying through their teeth, or outright stupid beyond the pale!
    I don't think those folks are stupid, so I can only conclude they are liars. This ain't no accident, nor is it a simple error. This thing has the appearance of propaganda, intended to disrupt the rights we enjoy through a misinformation campaign filled with falsehood and distortion.

    Just one example here: If local cities have such gun restrictions, why are none of us who live in those cities subjected to arrest as we open carry every single day?
    Obviously compelling is the law of preemption:

    CRS 29-11.7-103. Regulation - type of firearm - prohibited.
    A local government may not enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the sale, purchase, or possession of a firearm that a person may lawfully sell, purchase, or possess under state or federal law. Any such ordinance, regulation, or other law enacted by a local government prior to March 18, 2003, is void and unenforceable.

    The law cannot be stated much more clearly!
    Denver is exempt by virtue that their ordinances prohibiting open carry were in place prior to March 18, 2003. The Meyer Decision affirmed their right to restrict open carry within their city limits.

    The entire article, and the outrageous claims made, are but one more shot fired at Aurora Colorado. The intent being to do damage to folks already hurting in the aftermath of a tragedy. Such persons, so disposed to advance their twisted agenda are little better than the shooter who attacked innocent citizens in our city. These lies are spreading over the internet like a plague of locusts, with each loaded with the venom of agenda politics. Lies, and damnedable lies at that.

    I live in Aurora. I carry every single day in Aurora. I interact nearly every day with Aurora police officers. Aurora does not deserve this slander against the character of our fair city, any more than those innocent citizens deserved to be fired upon Friday morning. And I'll state again, as I have in the past, that if I had been there and saw a chance to return fire, I'd have done so in hopes of saving others.

    It seems to me that the people behind these lies and propaganda are lying agents provocateurs! It is obvious they hope to utilize this tragic incident as an opportunity to provoke more harm.

    In the meanwhile, I encourage everyone to regard those who created this pack of lies to denounce those responsible, hold them in utter contempt, and treat them with the level of respect you'd give a rat. Hopefully you'll agree, a rat deserves better than those who would suggest criminals should create more mischief in Aurora Colorado.

    May the blessings of liberty keep us free from idiots!
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    Natural News, combining the "best" of InfoWars and hippies, all in one place! Break out the tin foil, there's hats to be made

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    MT, adding to what you wrote, it does make sense being possible propaganda to dissuade anyone who isnt carrying to think twice on doing so based off of absolutely false information. As we all know many people believe what they read in the news...

    from your post

    CRS 29-11.7-103. Regulation - type of firearm - prohibited.
    A local government may not enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the sale, purchase, or possession of a firearm that a person may lawfully sell, purchase, or possess under state or federal law. Any such ordinance, regulation, or other law enacted by a local government prior to March 18, 2003, is void and unenforceable.

    The law cannot be stated much more clearly!
    Denver is exempt by virtue that their ordinances prohibiting open carry were in place prior to March 18, 2003. The Meyer Decision affirmed their right to restrict open carry within their city limits.

    This answers my question as to how they can get away with it... (bastards..)
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    Hey gentlemen!

    For the record Infowars is very well researched. Do your own research and find out for yourselves.

    Mike Adams I will agree with you is a loose canon when it comes to getting the facts right. I have made efforts
    to get the word out about his misstatements.

    If you go to the article now you will see a link to this thread. If you want go there and put in your own links
    to this thread so that his readers will see a current link to the facts.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/036549_Au...fiscation.html

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    BTW a link in his own article contradicts his own statements: http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm

    Survey of Colorado's Local Firearms Ordinances

    Compiled for Million Mom March

    primarily from data from the Colorado Municipal League

    Note: The following ordinances were adopted by individual municipalities across
    the state of Colorado in response to particular problems
    in their communities or concerns of their populace.

    In 2003, the state legislature and the governor deemed that the power to address gun violence in Colorado through laws SHALL NOT be in the domain of the affected communities,
    rather it should rest only in the hands of the state. By this legislation (SB03-25),
    all of the ordinances on this list have been declared unenforceable.

    The city of Denver has sued the state of Colorado over this preemption. Judgement is pending.

    If you find this preemption of local powers bizarre,
    please contact Governor Owens and the legislators listed at the bottom of this document.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tittiger View Post
    Hey gentlemen!
    If you find this preemption of local powers bizarre,
    please contact Governor Owens and the legislators listed at the bottom of this document.
    Howdy Pard!
    Not to cut too fine a line, but I believe Governor Owens has been out of office for at least the last several months, no?

    It's that sort of hard-hitting, spot-on, up-to-the-minute, incisive reportage that makes people like me regard people like that like people I don't regard favorably.

    Bill Owens must be rolling in his grave, and he ain't even dead yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Taliesin View Post
    Howdy Pard!
    Not to cut too fine a line, but I believe Governor Owens has been out of office for at least the last several months, no?

    It's that sort of hard-hitting, spot-on, up-to-the-minute, incisive reportage that makes people like me regard people like that like people I don't regard favorably.

    Bill Owens must be rolling in his grave, and he ain't even dead yet!

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    M-Taliesin: Please don't pull a Mike Adams on me....The following "quote" of me was never in my post!

    Quote Originally Posted by tittiger View Post
    Hey gentlemen!
    If you find this preemption of local powers bizarre,
    please contact Governor Owens and the legislators listed at the bottom of this document.

    I feel just the opposite of what you portrayed in this "quote". Local governments do NOT have the power to limit my inalienable rights.
    I find the preemption of local powers justified rather than bizarre. Looks like the State of CO actually did something right and stopped criminal
    behavior from occurring in small towns.

    Here in MO our State psychopaths have not done as well. The State has allowed individual towns to outlaw open carry. Nixa MO is the closest to me
    that has done this.

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    I was just in Aurora's municipal code LINK, and the city's ban on concealed carry is still on the books. Now, we all know that the code is unenforceable, but yet, it is still there.

    One wonders why it hasn't been repealed yet, in light of the pre-emption...

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    Quote Originally Posted by unknownsailor View Post
    I was just in Aurora's municipal code LINK, and the city's ban on concealed carry is still on the books. Now, we all know that the code is unenforceable, but yet, it is still there.

    One wonders why it hasn't been repealed yet, in light of the pre-emption...
    Howdy Amigo!
    They still have laws on the books that are from days of yore that have no bearing on life today.
    Nobody enforces them, because many of them are idiotic.

    Here is a sampling of some of the Colorado laws still on the books that make for bewildering reading!

    ...In Colorado (Denver), dog catchers are required, for 3 days straight, to post notifications on trees in the city park and public road running through the park that notifies dogs of impounding.

    It is illegal to ride a horse while under the influence.

    In Denver, You may not drive a black car on Sundays.
    It is unlawful to lend your vacuum cleaner to your next-door neighbor.
    It is illegal to mistreat rats in Denver, Colorado.

    In Cripple Creek... It is illegal to bring your horse or pack mule above the ground floor of any building.

    Or how about this gem, still on the books, in Sterling: Cats may not run loose without having been fit with a taillight.

    Point being, they just don't seem to bother with stuff once it becomes irrelevant.
    Maybe laziness keeps them from getting rid of old laws that nobody even remembers later on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unknownsailor View Post
    I was just in Aurora's municipal code LINK, and the city's ban on concealed carry is still on the books. Now, we all know that the code is unenforceable, but yet, it is still there.

    One wonders why it hasn't been repealed yet, in light of the pre-emption...
    That link to codes is for Aurora Illinois


    Auroa, Colorado codes can be viewed here ----> http://library.municode.com/mobile/c...31_183.10331_1.

    Good luck navigating through that mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadetreezj View Post
    That link to codes is for Aurora Illinois
    Says it right at the top actully lol. Aurora, Illinois, Code of Ordinances >> - CODE OF ORDINANCES >> Chapter 29 - OFFENSES—MISCELLANEOUS >> ARTICLE III. - OFFENSES AGAINST OR ENDANGERING THE PERSON >> thats the header of the page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadetreezj View Post
    That link to codes is for Aurora Illinois

    Auroa, Colorado codes can be viewed here ---->
    Howdy Amigo!
    Wow, I didn't even look at the link. DUH on my part.
    But it was sorta close. Only missed by a thousand miles! LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by unknownsailor View Post
    I was just in Aurora's municipal code LINK, and the city's ban on concealed carry is still on the books. Now, we all know that the code is unenforceable, but yet, it is still there.

    One wonders why it hasn't been repealed yet, in light of the pre-emption...
    I see a more nefarious intent from the sycophants in government.
    I would not be surprised if there are people that have been charged an convicted on this NON-LAW.

    Did you see the recent story of the many people in NC that were in jail for owning weapons, many for 10 years or more, it turns out there is no such law, and they still will not let these people out? Did you know that at the time the Constitution was written, hence the meaning of the 2nd, that a felon was ONLY someone who committed a crime for which the death penalty applied?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Taliesin View Post

    In Cripple Creek... It is illegal to bring your horse or pack mule above the ground floor of any building.

    Or how about this gem, still on the books, in Sterling: Cats may not run loose without having been fit with a taillight.


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    HAHAHAHA these two are just classic, looks like i need to get me a tail light you know, just incase... And damn how am i going to get my horse into my friends apartment if i cant take him off the first floor?
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    Found it.

    Sec. 94-144. - Unlawful concealment and display of a weapon.permanent link to this piece of content

    (a)

    Concealment. Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section it shall be unlawful for any person to wear under his or her clothes or carry concealed on or about his or her person any illegal or deadly weapon, including but not by way of limitation any firearm, slingshot, razor, dirk, dagger, or any knife, nunchaku or throwing stars.

    (b)

    It shall not be an offense of subsection (a) of this section if the defendant was:

    (1)

    In compliance with the provisions of section 94-144.5, if applicable; or

    (2)

    A person in a private automobile or other means of private conveyance who carries a knife for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling, or

    (3)

    In his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the alleged violation; or

    (4)

    A person who, at the time of carrying the concealed weapon held a valid permit to carry such concealed weapon issued pursuant to C.R.S. 18-12-105.1 as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of article 12 of title 18 of the Colorado Revised Statutes; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the carrying restrictions contained in C.R.S. 18-12-214; or

    (5)

    A peace officer, as described in Section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S. when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in Section 16-2.5-101(2) C.R.S.; or

    (6)

    A United States Probation Officer or a United States Pretrial Services Officer while on duty and serving in the State of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the Judicial Conference of the United States.

    (c)

    Display. It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly, recklessly, or negligently display, flourish, or brandish any illegal or deadly weapon, including but not limited to those enunciated in subsection (a) of this section, in such manner as to reasonably cause fear of bodily injury to another person.


    I don't like that statement of "as to reasonably cause fear of bodily injury to another person. " That can be swung either way.

    A link to the weapons section ------>http://library.municode.com/mobile/d...94-144UNCODIWE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadetreezj View Post
    Found it.

    Sec. 94-144. - Unlawful concealment and display of a weapon.permanent link to this piece of content

    (a)

    Concealment. Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section it shall be unlawful for any person to wear under his or her clothes or carry concealed on or about his or her person any illegal or deadly weapon, including but not by way of limitation any firearm, slingshot, razor, dirk, dagger, or any knife, nunchaku or throwing stars.

    (b)

    It shall not be an offense of subsection (a) of this section if the defendant was:

    (1)

    In compliance with the provisions of section 94-144.5, if applicable; or

    (2)

    A person in a private automobile or other means of private conveyance who carries a knife for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling, or

    (3)

    In his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the alleged violation; or

    (4)

    A person who, at the time of carrying the concealed weapon held a valid permit to carry such concealed weapon issued pursuant to C.R.S. 18-12-105.1 as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of article 12 of title 18 of the Colorado Revised Statutes; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the carrying restrictions contained in C.R.S. 18-12-214; or

    (5)

    A peace officer, as described in Section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S. when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in Section 16-2.5-101(2) C.R.S.; or

    (6)

    A United States Probation Officer or a United States Pretrial Services Officer while on duty and serving in the State of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the Judicial Conference of the United States.

    (c)

    Display. It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly, recklessly, or negligently display, flourish, or brandish any illegal or deadly weapon, including but not limited to those enunciated in subsection (a) of this section, in such manner as to reasonably cause fear of bodily injury to another person.


    I don't like that statement of "as to reasonably cause fear of bodily injury to another person. " That can be swung either way.

    A link to the weapons section ------>http://library.municode.com/mobile/d...94-144UNCODIWE
    IANAL, but i belive that is in refrence to someone without a valid CHP as stated here, A person who, at the time of carrying the concealed weapon held a valid permit to carry such concealed weapon issued pursuant to C.R.S. 18-12-105.1 as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of article 12 of title 18 of the Colorado Revised Statutes; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the carrying restrictions contained in C.R.S. 18-12-214; or And yes in Colorado it is unlawful to conceal without a valid CHP unless on your property. i may be wrong about what this is in refrence to im sure someone will correct me if im wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadetreezj View Post

    I don't like that statement of "as to reasonably cause fear of bodily injury to another person. " That can be swung either way.
    i get what your saying, but that can be thrown either way, im not scared of sidearms im scared of people, so someone that i trust and know well could present there sidearm to show me something and i would reasonably not be scared, but some crazy person i have no idea of there training does the same thing and i may be reasonable scared for my safety or that i may be injured. theres a whole lot of wiggle room in there statement of "as to reasonably cause fear of bodily injury to another person. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadetreezj View Post
    Sorry, couldn't get the full title of the article in the subject line.


    Read this pile of work..........

    http://www.naturalnews.com/036549_Au...fiscation.html
    Article is 100% bs. State preemption means Aurora cannot do anything he suggests they do. CC is legal everywhere in CO, so is car carry. OC is not illegal in Aurora, for the most part, to the best of my knowledge. An absolute affirmitive defense would have applied had a citizen blown the lunatic away. Any DA that charged him would have been tarred and feathered.
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    The dialogue that is taking place here is great but it seems to me that it would be a little more productive to direct some of the commentary towards the author in order to help educate the author so he can revise and report the actual facts of the laws. My $0.02...

    *edit* When I said towards, I meant actually contacting the author...
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