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    OT - Obama talks on limiting "some" guns......

    Here it comes......what Obama has been waiting fo....


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...rado-massacre/

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    "I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms," Obama said. "But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets of our cities."

    i dont agree with this suggestion of his...

    What will end up as usual with every gun law, criminals and those that are out to do criminal activities will still have these specific "assault rifles" while the general law abiding public cant. Thanks nobama for this shining enlightenment of wisdom....

    I dont know how to make anyone understand that no law will stop someone from aquiring what they want to do their deeds of murder.

    Good find, HeesBonafide.
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    They should be talking about heavier, mandatory punishments for violent offenders that use arms in the commission of a crime. LAWS DONT STOP CRIMINALS, but there pukes are not smart enough to realize that, and the gov will push it for their agenda.
    - I hope this statement costs him the election, i truly do.
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    Go over to the CT page and you'll see proof that civilian PDs have M16s ... so Obama is saying that PDs don't have the right to own these guns? But he has an entire agency devoted to disbursing these guns to local civilian PDs.

    Of course he supports hunters ... which hunting has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. Typical rhetoric of anti-gunners as we all know.

    And what, is Obama supporting Russia now, because US soldiers are not issued AK47s.

    We have the right to the same weaponry that military units have and we should not have to get BATF licenses or any other sort of special approvals from the government to get this weaponry.

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    Thumbs down

    for a suposed constitutional scholar he sure blew it on the meaning of the second ammendmant, even our own US supreme court back in 1935 stipulated that the second ammendment protected the american citizens right to keep and bear arms "CAPABLE OF MILITARY SERVICE".
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Go over to the CT page and you'll see proof that civilian PDs have M16s ... so Obama is saying that PDs don't have the right to own these guns? But he has an entire agency devoted to disbursing these guns to local civilian PDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batousaii View Post
    They should be talking about heavier, mandatory punishments for violent offenders that use arms in the commission of a crime. LAWS DONT STOP CRIMINALS, but there pukes are not smart enough to realize that, and the gov will push it for their agenda.
    - I hope this statement costs him the election, i truly do.
    ... if not this, then the "You didn't build that!" line.

    Meanwhile, the other 99% of criminals, who DON'T make the news (just getting their lives back together & all that), will go on using simple black market handguns.
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    I like Switzerland's policy. Everybody gets trained as a soldier and you get to take your rifle home. Then once a year they have a shooting competition where the government even provides the ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    I like Switzerland's policy. Everybody gets trained as a soldier and you get to take your rifle home. Then once a year they have a shooting competition where the government even provides the ammo.
    They even get to have Full Auto weapons without having to pay for a $200 tax stamp, kissing the local Police Chief's butt, or having to have a "gun trust" to work around stubborn authorities.

    Of course the Swiss are better educated than lots of other countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    They even get to have Full Auto weapons without having to pay for a $200 tax stamp, kissing the local Police Chief's butt, or having to have a "gun trust" to work around stubborn authorities.

    Of course the Swiss are better educated than lots of other countries.
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    I think people might wake up if we had mandatory civil service like many countries. Switzerland, Germany, Italy.
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    Obama said. "But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets of our cities."
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz21kf5zbg6
    Unfortunately but his statement is true as to a lot of gun owners would agree and I hope we could sway this attitude or position away from it and more toward the concept if it is good for the goose it is good for the gander ie if Law Enforcement can own and use different types of weapons then citizens should be able to own and use the same and some states do but not here in Washington.
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    Sure fits in nicley with the shooting, and that snake Hillary at the UN tomorrow. Will the snake sign it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
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    I think people might wake up if we had mandatory civil service like many countries. Switzerland, Germany, Italy.
    Mandatory civil service is unconstitutional. And thank god. I will not serve the political needs of a neocon or a neolib.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Mandatory civil service is unconstitutional. And thank god. I will not serve the political needs of a neocon or a neolib.
    But you get a free hat! I thought everyone liked free hats. :shrug:

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    It angers me that it's always about guns. I know I'm preaching to the choir....but...

    I agree with previously mentioned ideas. Make it a huge deal to get caught using a firearm illegally. Put them on public trial, and enforce the sentence. Build bigger jails and prisons if needed.

    I know there's exceptions, but if it is made highly undesirable to receive a weapons charge... And the sentence is actually enforced.... A lot of this sh!t would stop.

    Simply impose longer mandatory sentences. And make it a felony for the judge if the sentence isn't followed. That would be a good start.



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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderbolt View Post
    It angers me that it's always about guns. I know I'm preaching to the choir....but...

    I agree with previously mentioned ideas. Make it a huge deal to get caught using a firearm illegally. Put them on public trial, and enforce the sentence. Build bigger jails and prisons if needed.

    I know there's exceptions, but if it is made highly undesirable to receive a weapons charge... And the sentence is actually enforced.... A lot of this sh!t would stop.

    Simply impose longer mandatory sentences. And make it a felony for the judge if the sentence isn't followed. That would be a good start.



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    Not bigger jails. There are too many people locked up as is it.

    I have a copy of the proposed law you would want for judges. Make it a crime for them to not follow the constitution(s)/law(s).
    It never takes off though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderbolt View Post
    It angers me that it's always about guns. I know I'm preaching to the choir....but...

    I agree with previously mentioned ideas. Make it a huge deal to get caught using a firearm illegally. Put them on public trial, and enforce the sentence. Build bigger jails and prisons if needed.

    I know there's exceptions, but if it is made highly undesirable to receive a weapons charge... And the sentence is actually enforced.... A lot of this sh!t would stop.

    Simply impose longer mandatory sentences. And make it a felony for the judge if the sentence isn't followed. That would be a good start.



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    Agreed. I don't get why people think the answer is more laws rather than actually enforcing existing ones, like a piece of paper is actually going to deter anyone who isn't already pre-disposed to obeying. Unfortunately, the jail system is it's own broken mess. I don't agree with incarceration being a profitable private endeavor. That's dangerous territory, bordering legalized slavery. When the warden has a personal financial motivation to extend your stay, not because your debt to society has not been paid, but because it is more profitable for him to do so, where do you draw the line between prisoner and slave? But I suppose that's an argument best saved another time and place.
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    [QUOTE=thunderbolt;1796429 Build bigger jails and prisons if needed.[/QUOTE]

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    And then there is this...

    Democratic senators offer gun control amendment for cybersecurity bill.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...ontrol-measure

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderbolt View Post
    It angers me that it's always about guns. I know I'm preaching to the choir....but...

    I agree with previously mentioned ideas. Make it a huge deal to get caught using a firearm illegally. Put them on public trial, and enforce the sentence. Build bigger jails and prisons if needed.

    I know there's exceptions, but if it is made highly undesirable to receive a weapons charge... And the sentence is actually enforced.... A lot of this sh!t would stop.

    Simply impose longer mandatory sentences. And make it a felony for the judge if the sentence isn't followed. That would be a good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajetpilot View Post
    Democratic senators offer gun control amendment for cybersecurity bill.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...ontrol-measure
    I wonder if any of them will read the amendments first, I doubt it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
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    I think people might wake up if we had mandatory civil service like many countries. Switzerland, Germany, Italy.
    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Mandatory civil service is unconstitutional. And thank god. I will not serve the political needs of a neocon or a neolib.
    I too am thankful that there isn't mandatory civil service. I know plenty of people that would not fair well(mental state) having to go through manditory civil service let alone the constitutional factor. I might have been more apt to join a branch of the military but at the time I was eligible, the 1st gulf war was going on and it was my belief that we should not have been there in the first place so I wouldn't have been a good civil servant...


    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Not bigger jails. There are too many people locked up as is it.

    I have a copy of the proposed law you would want for judges. Make it a crime for them to not follow the constitution(s)/law(s).
    It never takes off though.
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryBodhi View Post
    Agreed. I don't get why people think the answer is more laws rather than actually enforcing existing ones, like a piece of paper is actually going to deter anyone who isn't already pre-disposed to obeying. Unfortunately, the jail system is it's own broken mess. I don't agree with incarceration being a profitable private endeavor. That's dangerous territory, bordering legalized slavery. When the warden has a personal financial motivation to extend your stay, not because your debt to society has not been paid, but because it is more profitable for him to do so, where do you draw the line between prisoner and slave? But I suppose that's an argument best saved another time and place.
    I'm in 100% agreement, more laws are not the answer, stricter punishment and enforcing the laws we do have on the books now would be a darn good start. I also think we need to make it easier for those with some mentally instability to seek help and not fear their liberties to be taken away. There has been discussion about not wanting to pay for mental health facilities(not lock down facilities) on this board but if we simply cut other programs such as foreign aid to other countries then redirected that money back to the US, we could build and staff enough facilities for every city, town and podunk watering hole in this country and still reduce taxes. We should not be the worlds saviours until we can save ourselves first but even then, we shouldn't be taking tax money to "aid" other countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rapgood View Post
    We already have plenty of prisons. Let's simply let the pot dealers out and put the real criminals in. (Oh, and judges have "absolute judicial immunity" which means that they can't be sued or prosecuted for anything they do on the bench -- although there are many who wish that they could be).
    Empty out the pot dealers/users. Reduce and change the approach to non-violent paper thieves. And punish violent offenders and eliminate time off for 'good' behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jolly__roger View Post
    I too am thankful that there isn't mandatory civil service. I know plenty of people that would not fair well(mental state) having to go through manditory civil service let alone the constitutional factor. I might have been more apt to join a branch of the military but at the time I was eligible, the 1st gulf war was going on and it was my belief that we should not have been there in the first place so I wouldn't have been a good civil servant...
    In the countries I mentioned civil service extends beyond just the military. For example in Germany you could do military/border patrol or you could choose something else. Medical, clerk, etc. There is a variety of things to choose from. From what I remember is that after German students graduate from the Gymnasium (High School) they are required to complete something like 6 months of some form of civil service. Then they can continue onto University.
    During their service they cannot be deployed.
    EDIT* So I just double checked the info and it looks like I was right. It also looks like Germany got rid of conscription on JUNE 1st, 2011.
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    European ideas....

    If you want to model European conscription.....then move there.

    This is America, we left Europe to move away from government tyranny in any manner. I do not want the government telling me what to do. The US is a model of individual freedom, to be free from government interference.

    Allow mandatory service and you allow slavery.
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