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    Different ideas on self protection

    One is from the government. The other is from private enterprise. Can you tell which is which?

    stay safe.

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    DHS video on dealing with active shooters

    Posted by David Hardy 29 July 2012 08:18 PM
    Its style is that of the 1950s, and it gives priority to running away, but at least it acknowledges that you might be forced to fight. Although I'd favor a pistol over trying to conk someone with a folding chair or a fire extinguisher.

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    ....a revolver?....really?....
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    ....a revolver?....really?....
    Clint Eastwood used a revolver... you dont like revolvers?
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    The revolver depicted is not the most powerful handgun in the world.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    If I saw that sign, I would assume Revolvers/Pistols,,, all hanguns are allowed.

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    We had an OC'er here who owned a few restaurants. He would give OC'ers a 15% discount on their meals.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    Ah ha! Mayor Doomberg would put that business owner out of business for inciting obesity.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    We had an OC'er here who owned a few restaurants. He would give OC'ers a 15% discount on their meals.
    That's awesome! A little payment for some private" security".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCinMaine View Post
    That's awesome! A little payment for some private" security".

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

    Why do people persist in calling OCers some sort of "security" force? Oh, yeah - that whole sheepdog sheepdip. If things go pearshaped I'm more likely to be very focused on protecting me and mine than I am going to be on coming to your rescue by leaving a place of protection. If, and a big "If" at that, I could get a clean shot I might consider taking it - as long as I am completely convinced that doing so will not result in creating more danger for me and mine.

    If anybody OCs to be the protector of society at large, or of the proprioter of the business where they're currently thinking of spending money, then that person needs to reevaluate their career choices - apply to become a cop or hire out as a security guard.

    And if some business operator is expecting me, because I am OCing, to be his security force then he needs to pay me the going rate for that service.

    Or did I miss the meeting where it was agreed that saying "I carry for self defense and defense of my family" is really code for "So I can play cop/security guard"?

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    Well if crap should ever hit the fan, my main concern will be my family and myself first. Sometimes you have to be careful, in some states, depending on the situation, the state is a observe and report state. Other states simply have it in the laws that you can defend and use lethal force if needed to protect a third party. You really need to know state laws so YOU do not become a victom of the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCinMaine View Post
    That's awesome! A little payment for some private" security".

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Why do people persist in calling OCers some sort of "security" force? Oh, yeah - that whole sheepdog sheepdip. If things go pearshaped I'm more likely to be very focused on protecting me and mine than I am going to be on coming to your rescue by leaving a place of protection. If, and a big "If" at that, I could get a clean shot I might consider taking it - as long as I am completely convinced that doing so will not result in creating more danger for me and mine.

    If anybody OCs to be the protector of society at large, or of the proprioter of the business where they're currently thinking of spending money, then that person needs to reevaluate their career choices - apply to become a cop or hire out as a security guard.

    And if some business operator is expecting me, because I am OCing, to be his security force then he needs to pay me the going rate for that service.

    Or did I miss the meeting where it was agreed that saying "I carry for self defense and defense of my family" is really code for "So I can play cop/security guard"?

    stay safe.
    Manu didn't expect anything, just liked to show his appreciation for those who are bold enough to publicly exercise their rights. He OC'd himself before even discovery OCDO.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Being the word security is in quotation marks, it indicates to me it was not meant in a literal sense and certainly not insisting on calling OC'ers a security force. The security would be implied security, as openly armed patrons are likely to deter criminals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VAopencarry View Post
    Being the word security is in quotation marks, it indicates to me it was not meant in a literal sense and certainly not insisting on calling OC'ers a security force. The security would be implied security, as openly armed patrons are likely to deter criminals.
    Yeah. I didn't mean it as going cowboy if SHTF. But it is generally agreed (and vastly agreed) here that OC has a deterrence aspect. And if a place of business has a sign or even just a well known policy of giving discounts to OC'ers then said criminal would want to think twice before harassing patrons or business. I'm no idiot. I'm going to get the hell outta dodge if possible. I'm not going to volunteer to put me or mine in harms way or in a legal sticky situation.

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    Different ideas on self protection

    Well, assuming there is only one shooter, in the protection of myself, I'm going to be protecting the others. Dead men don't usually hurt people. And if I fail, he would then be shooting at me instead of them. Win-win for the others.

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    Really?

    Sorry, but I was never trained to run or hide. Whoever pulls this crap in my vicinity will take a fall.

    For the average citizen, most of whom aren't training, I think the DHS motto of Run, Hide, and Fight is appropriate.
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