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    Drones over gun shows? Maybe Not

    Can it be? Both Todd Gilbert and the ACLU of Virginia agree: no drone surveillance without a warrant:

    ACLU of Virginia and Del. Todd Gilbert Propose Legislation to Regulate Unmanned Aerial Drones in Virginia
    Delegate C. Todd Gilbert (R Woodstock) and the ACLU of Virginia announced today that they are working together on legislation to regulate the use of unmanned aerial drones in the Commonwealth.

    “Both the ACLU and I believe, as do many Virginians across the political spectrum, that the use of drones by police and other government agencies should be strictly controlled by state laws that protect the privacy and civil rights of all Virginia residents,” said Delegate Gilbert. Gilbert continued, “I will be introducing legislation in the 2013 General Assembly Session to:

    i) prohibit the use of drones by law enforcement unless a warrant has been issued;

    ii) require that policies and procedures for the use of drones be adopted by legislative bodies in open meetings;

    iii) provide for public monitoring and accountability; and

    iv) mandate that pictures of individuals acquired by drones be destroyed unless they are part of an authorized investigation.”
    Virginians ought to be able to keep and bear arms openly within the Commonwealth without having to worry that the Government has them under surveillance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    Can it be? Both Todd Gilbert and the ACLU of Virginia agree: no drone surveillance without a warrant:

    ACLU of Virginia and Del. Todd Gilbert Propose Legislation to Regulate Unmanned Aerial Drones in Virginia


    Virginians ought to be able to keep and bear arms openly within the Commonwealth without having to worry that the Government has them under surveillance.
    Just a quick note about Gilbert.
    2 years ago I videoed Gilbert in Committee discussing not allowing anyone with a gun in the GA building. He said this is the peoples house and moved to kill the bill, and it died.



    I don't agree with all his bills but he really believes in the constitution.
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    i watched a lot of the ga's live feeds this last session. i gotta say, i like this guy.
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    License plate scans, too?

    What is it with the government wanting to keep tabs on everyone?

    ACLU looking at use of license plate scans
    Your license plate may be an information portal into your criminal record, payment history and even your everyday movements.

    In Virginia and across the country, the use of license plate scanning technology by law enforcement agencies and even tax collectors is attracting concern from the American Civil Liberties Union.

    ACLU chapters in 35 states announced Monday that they are querying law enforcement agencies through Freedom of Information Act requests about how they are using the scanning technology and about the extent to which the information may be used to compile "movement histories" of people.
    But wait, there's more:
    "Automatic license plate readers make it possible for the police to track our location whenever we drive our cars and to store that information forever," said Catherine Crump, staff attorney with the ACLU's Speech, Privacy & Technology Project.

    In a news release, Crump said that the FOIA requests should help reveal if the technology is being used by "police departments … in a limited and responsible manner or whether they are keeping records of our movements for months and years for no good reason."
    FOIA requests? good luck with that.

    My concern is this: "Your license plate may be an information portal into your criminal record, payment history and even your everyday movements." Doesn't that include whether you have a CHP? If so, it's another argument for Constitutional Carry.

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    Cool

    I can see a lot of drones being shot out of the sky if they tried to over fly a gun show.....

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    i'm all for not letting "the man" know what i'm doing, but damn this thread seems alil much.

    nowhere did i see anything about gun shows(or anything about guns for that matter)............

    and on the lic. plate scanning, if you aren't doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide why worry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptstoney View Post
    if you aren't doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide why worry?
    That's the favorite argument of the nanny statists. Congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptstoney View Post
    i.

    and on the lic. plate scanning, if you aren't doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide why worry?
    Automatic ignore!
    Welcome to the board, and goodbye!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptstoney View Post
    and on the lic. plate scanning, if you aren't doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide why worry?
    Because it's a warrantless search. This is Virginia NOT Europe. Some people have left oppressive regimes where freedom of movement is extremely difficult, some just got sick of surveilance cameras everywhere.

    The license plate scanner is just the first step, next will come 'security' cameras on street corners and the argument again will be 'if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about'. Then what?

    More cameras, GPS tracking on your cellphone, more checks when you go to buy a firearm, background checks to buy ammunition, limits on what you can buy, and everytime someone like you is going to chime in with 'if you have done nothing wrong why are you worrying?'.

    This isn't about catching those who have done wrong, it's about protecting the freedoms Americans (especially Virginians) are born with, and immigrants have chosen to come here to enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouser View Post
    The license plate scanner is just the first step, next will come 'security' cameras on street corners and the argument again will be 'if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about'. Then what? .
    Mud and prepay phones are your friends!

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    Drones over gun shows?

    That is what the 10GA - 36" goose gun is for!
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouser View Post
    Because it's a warrantless search. This is Virginia NOT Europe. Some people have left oppressive regimes where freedom of movement is extremely difficult, some just got sick of surveilance cameras everywhere.

    The license plate scanner is just the first step, next will come 'security' cameras on street corners and the argument again will be 'if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about'. Then what?

    More cameras, GPS tracking on your cellphone, more checks when you go to buy a firearm, background checks to buy ammunition, limits on what you can buy, and everytime someone like you is going to chime in with 'if you have done nothing wrong why are you worrying?'.

    This isn't about catching those who have done wrong, it's about protecting the freedoms Americans (especially Virginians) are born with, and immigrants have chosen to come here to enjoy.
    This is the current reality in London. The panoptic government, there to "help". Hell on earth.

    Virginia Beach was using some facial recognition software on their cameras at the oceanfront, but many complained. VBPD claims they no longer use the software.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    This is the current reality in London. The panoptic government, there to "help". Hell on earth.
    Not my hometown, but it is my home country and sadly the 1984 Big Brother is watching over every major city there, not just London
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    lic plate scans leads to gun control, yeah thats makes a lick of sense......

    i better go stock up on tin foil cause the gobment gonna start scanning my brain while im sleeping......

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptstoney View Post
    lic plate scans leads to gun control, yeah thats makes a lick of sense......
    are you related to Martin Niemoller by any chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cptstoney View Post
    if you aren't doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide why worry?
    What a incredible attitude. That attitude is flawed in principle.
    You can say the same about:
    random home searches,
    mandatory gun registration,
    the fed regularly interviewing your children for signs of abuse,
    mandatory "patriotic" oaths to the fed
    etc
    Last edited by twoskinsonemanns; 08-01-2012 at 11:44 AM. Reason: typo
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    Quote Originally Posted by cptstoney View Post
    i better go stock up on tin foil cause the gobment gonna start scanning my brain while im sleeping......
    I don't think you need to worry...
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    Quote Originally Posted by roscoe13 View Post
    I don't think you need to worry...
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    Quote Originally Posted by roscoe13 View Post
    I don't think you need to worry...
    Mr Roscoe,

    I believe you now owe me a new monitor for my computer after I just spat a mouthful of coffee all over the screen from laughing upon reading your comment.


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    yes calling me dumb proves your point and makes you look like an adult. good job........

    I joined this forum to learn about open carry and maybe meet some other guns people

    clearly im not a hardcore enough to hang out with you guys. smh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptstoney View Post
    yes calling me dumb proves your point and makes you look like an adult. good job........

    I joined this forum to learn about open carry and maybe meet some other guns people

    clearly im not a hardcore enough to hang out with you guys. smh.
    You did come in swinging with a couple of posts and a very unpopular opinion with some of us.

    If you'd like to try again with a lower volume, have at it. You might even find a few softcore folks here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptstoney View Post
    if you aren't doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide why worry?
    Quote Originally Posted by cptstoney View Post
    yes calling me dumb proves your point and makes you look like an adult. good job........

    I joined this forum to learn about open carry and maybe meet some other guns people

    clearly im not a hardcore enough to hang out with you guys. smh.
    Don't get too bent out of shape, you've bought into the well-worn scam of "if you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't opposed complete invasion of the government"

    People around here value their rights. One that I like is "the right of the people to be secure in their persons..." It's a quote from some important document I can't put my finger on right now.

    But I do remember it doesn't mention any thing about "unless you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't worry about it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by cptstoney View Post
    yes calling me dumb proves your point and makes you look like an adult. good job........

    I joined this forum to learn about open carry and maybe meet some other guns people

    clearly im not a hardcore enough to hang out with you guys. smh.
    Basically implying that anyone who disagrees with you on this subject a tinfoil hat wearing nut-job does an equally good job of making you look like an adult. Good job

    If you're going to jump in here and pick a fight, don't be surprised when you take one on the chin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cptstoney View Post
    yes calling me dumb proves your point and makes you look like an adult. good job........

    I joined this forum to learn about open carry and maybe meet some other guns people

    clearly im not a hardcore enough to hang out with you guys. smh.
    CPSTONEY...

    I'm not attacking you here just pointing out that the saying "if you done nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about" is probably a line the guastapo used in Germany. It wouldn't be far from...

    "if you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about....just get into the rail car we can straigten it out later".

    Then

    "if you have done nothing wrong then you have nothng to worry about......just go in there and take a shower and we will talk about it after your clean"......

    We shouldn't even be considering this since we have the 4th and 5th to protect us; unless we just give it away.

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