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    New o/cer

    Hi,
    I'm a new member, I'm north of Dayton and wondered if there were any members or groups in the area, or somone in the Dayton area. I do not have a CHL yet, the county I live in is terrible about getting it done and it's a lot of hassle to go out of county with my work schedule.
    Thank you and I'm happy to be here!!!

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    Hello New Carrier. I live in the Belmount area and carry along with my wife every day. Lthr Neck on the forums lives in Inglewood he is pretty motivated but has become Ill. I would like to see more carriers from Dayton but it seems most of the regulars left the area because of employment. Love to get a new bunch of folks together for a meet and greet.

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    Hey Y'all I am also North of Dayton. I haven't OCed yet, but I am in the process of getting a new holster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 101er View Post
    Hi,
    I'm a new member, I'm north of Dayton and wondered if there were any members or groups in the area, or somone in the Dayton area. I do not have a CHL yet, the county I live in is terrible about getting it done and it's a lot of hassle to go out of county with my work schedule.
    Thank you and I'm happy to be here!!!
    FYI you don't need a CHL to open carry. Wasn't sure if you are aware of this.

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    Welcome! I live north of Dayton as well. We are trying to get a possible picnic together here in Miami County. More info can be found on the Miami County O/C Group Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/MiamiCounty...enCarry?ref=ts

    Scroll down to the wall post from July 23 and post your support if interested.
    Last edited by RCall; 08-01-2012 at 04:37 PM. Reason: Spelling/grammar

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    New Carrier, make sure you are up on Ohio's laws, and make a voice recorder part of your daily gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian D. View Post
    New Carrier, make sure you are up on Ohio's laws, and make a voice recorder part of your daily gear.
    Thanks for the advice, I already have the recorder and I keep track of the laws as best I can, usually downloading pdfs of them.
    Wondering, how is O/Cing in Cincy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 101er View Post
    Thanks for the advice, I already have the recorder and I keep track of the laws as best I can, usually downloading pdfs of them.
    Wondering, how is O/Cing in Cincy?
    That's a good question - keep us posted.

    It seems someone got Cincinnati's attention recently:

    http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/police/pages/-44872-/

    Check out the July 3, 2012 Staff Notes, item 3.
    Last edited by BB62; 08-02-2012 at 09:11 AM. Reason: edited to correct date

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    That's a good question - keep us posted.

    It seems someone got Cincinnati's attention recently:

    http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/police/pages/-44872-/

    Check out the July 12, 2012 Staff Notes, item 3.
    Was looking, don't see a july 12th entry. Also looked at July 10th and 17th, as well as june 12th incase you had mistyped. Nothing I see.

    Edit: Found it: July 3rd, 2012, item 3.

    3. LAW DEPARTMENT MEMO ON OPEN CARRY OF A FIREARM IN OHIO
    Ohio law permits the open carry of a firearm with few exceptions. Citizens may
    openly carry firearms in public places unless there is a specific prohibition against
    carrying a firearm in that place (police station, school safety zone, courthouse, etc.).
    Since Cleveland v. State of Ohio, 2010-Ohio-6318, regulation of the “ownership,
    possession, purchase, other acquisition, transport, storage, carrying, sale, or other
    transfer of firearms, their components, and their ammunition” is only done by state
    and federal law. Local municipal laws may only regulate the discharge of firearms.
    Therefore, officers should not charge individuals with violations of the Cincinnati
    Municipal Code unless the ordinance deals with the discharge of a firearm
    The notice continues on for almost a whole page. Seems good. Will the cops actually care? Probably not.
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    "Many people worry when they see someone openly carrying a gun. Officers can
    expect to receive calls when this happens. But, openly carrying a firearm, by itself, is
    not illegal. The fact that someone has called 911 or flagged down an officer about
    seeing someone with a gun in public is probably not enough to support an
    investigative detention. In such situations, an officer must observe the subject and
    evaluate the totality of circumstances to determine whether reasonable suspicion
    exists to justify detaining the individual. If the individual is doing nothing else that
    arouses suspicion, simply wearing a gun will not justify a detention.
    It is important to note, open carry by itself also would not support a charge of
    Disorderly Conduct or Inducing Panic. There must be additional facts to support
    these offenses. If someone is lawfully carrying a firearm—and doing nothing else—
    the fact that it causes alarm to others does not support a charge.
    Equally important, before you charge someone with a violation of Ohio Revised
    Code (ORC) 2921.29, Failure to Disclose Personal Information (also referred to
    as the “Stop and I.D.” law), you first must have reasonable suspicion that person has,
    is, or is about to commit a criminal offense. The “Stop and I.D.” law does not apply
    unless you already have a valid investigative detention of the person – and open
    carry by itself is not enough. Citizens may ignore your request for information during
    a consensual encounter, so you may only charge a citizen with a violation of ORC
    2921.29 when they are legally detained.
    Private businesses or property owners may prohibit all firearms on their property.
    They may post signs prohibiting firearms or they may order a person to leave for
    such behavior. Criminal Trespass is the appropriate charge if a person is on private
    property in violation of such a prohibition.
    Direct any questions regarding this issue to Mr. Peter Stackpole, or Mr. Charlie
    Rubenstein, Law Department, at 352-3334. "

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    Hello fellow Ohoians! Just moved here in January and plan to OC. Saw this thread and thought I'd jump in. I'll be checking out the FB page

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    Anyone up for a meeting

    I know a carry friendly restaurant if anyone is up for a meeting. It’s the Hasty Tasty on Linden Ave, just off state route 35.

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    Welcome to Ohio!
    Where did you move from, and are you moving back to ohio or just here from somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makarov View Post
    I know a carry friendly restaurant if anyone is up for a meeting. It’s the Hasty Tasty on Linden Ave, just off state route 35.

    When would you want ot meet, if we could get a few people to show I'd be happy to, be nice to meet some people from the forum.

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    Some simple tips

    1. If carrying concealed, IMMEDIATELY inform as required by law. SHOUT OVER THE COP if necessary to do so. There are AT LEAST two documented cases of cops ordering people to be silent then charging them with "failure to promptly notify", in one instance after a ***53 second*** delay caused by the victim being ORDERED AT GUNPOINT TO REMAIN SILENT.
    2. ALWAYS carry and use a voice recorder when carrying a firearm, whether concealed or openly. It is a given that when cops err or intentionally misbehave, they LIE just as any other offender will.
    3. When carrying concealed, you must have BOTH your Ohio CHL (or recognized equivalent) AND a second form of ID, such as a driver's license. When open carrying, you need have NO ID AT ALL.
    4. When stopped (after notifying, if required) ask, "Am I free to leave?" That cuts through any obfuscation or dissimulation on the cop's part.
    5. If free to leave, do so, QUICKLY. Do not prolong the encounter unnecessarily with smalltalk. Cops don't do smalltalk. They do questioning, sometimes in the guise of smalltalk.
    6. If told that you are NOT free to leave, tell the cop, "I have nothing further to say to you without a lawyer present." ID yourself ONLY as required by law. Do NOT consent to ANY searches. Comply if subject to physical coercion. Verbally register your non-consent so that it is recorded. Then SHUT UP.



    Ohio Open carry tips.
    Bottom line: you are not required, by Hiibel or by the ORC to supply any identifying information when walking in public unless certain circumstances apply.
    ORC 2921.29 says:
    (A) No person who is in a public place shall refuse to disclose the person’s name, address, or date of birth, when requested by a law enforcement officer who reasonably suspects either of the following:

    (1) The person is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a criminal offense. (sounds like the requirements for a legal Terry stop, eh?)
    (2) The person witnessed any of the following:
    (a) An offense of violence that would constitute a felony under the laws of this state;
    (b) A felony offense that causes or results in, or creates a substantial risk of, serious physical harm to another person or to property;
    (c) Any attempt or conspiracy to commit, or complicity in committing, any offense identified in division (A)(2)(a) or (b) of this section;
    (d) Any conduct reasonably indicating that any offense identified in division (A)(2)(a) or (b) of this section or any attempt, conspiracy, or complicity described in division (A)(2)(c) of this section has been, is being, or is about to be committed

    http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2921.29

    My plan is this...
    cop} "May/Can I see some ID"?
    me} "May/Can I hear some RAS"? then shut up, if he persists in demanding ID without stating RAS my next statement will be "You have just opened the door to a Chapter 42 US Code 1983 Civil Rights Law Suit, am I free to go"?
    "Am I free to leave? No? I have nothing further to say without my attorney present."
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    An officer must have RAS to detain and investigate. However, Officers are not required to disclose it to the suspect. Imagine LEO gets called to a bank robbery. He sees you walking down the street OC. He may very well stop you and question you. He will not tell you his RAS. Can you imagine asking a bank robber if he was a bank robber? Or telling him you are looking for a bank robber?
    You can ask if he has RAS but I wouldn't expect him to justify or clarify it to you.

    It would be nice if the officer would tell us what he thinks we did wrong but it just won't happen.



    Guns kill and iPhones mispelt wordz.

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    Cool Meet-N-Greet

    Quote Originally Posted by 101er View Post
    When would you want ot meet, if we could get a few people to show I'd be happy to, be nice to meet some people from the forum.
    I'd be glad to show up in order to meet others from this forum. I just joined today. I live in Centerville, so meeting at the restaurant on Linden would be very convenient for me.

    I OC and CC every day, and have for years.
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    That's just south of the base. I could take a long lunch and meet up, although I wouldnt be OC since I'd be in uniform.

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    Someone name the date

    Quote Originally Posted by cabledawg View Post
    That's just south of the base. I could take a long lunch and meet up, although I wouldnt be OC since I'd be in uniform.
    Who wants to organize this? I can't, but would definitely show up because my schedule is very flexible.

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    Wheels are starting to turn on this meet and greet

    I guess I will start this organization unless someone else want to? Ok, I wish this system could take a vote! I'm thinking about an afternoon on a weekend or an evening time during the week like at 6 or 7. Please let me know what you think. I'm flexible!
    Last edited by Makarov; 08-17-2012 at 03:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makarov View Post
    I guess I will start this organization unless someone else want to? Ok, I wish this system could take a vote! I'm thinking about an afternoon on a weekend or an evening time during the week like at 6 or 7. Please let me know what you think. I'm flexible!
    Late afternoons during the week.(after 5pm ish) Or anytime on weekends are fine with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCall View Post
    Late afternoons during the week.(after 5pm ish) Or anytime on weekends are fine with me.
    Weekends might almost work better for me. I'll be busy this weekend until Sunday night.

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    Meeting Availablilty

    Almost any weekday for lunch. Most evenings other than Wednesday. Weekends -- depends on plans my wife may not have shared yet with me... LOL

    My son would come with me. He also likes to O/C.

    As for the choice of restaurant: We'll eat anything.

    Long story short -- evenings work best.
    Last edited by w8asa; 08-19-2012 at 12:31 PM.

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    Did anyone happen to capture the .pdf file I linked to earlier? (post #8)

    It seems that the Cincinnati Police Department has made it (and all the rest of their staff notes) unavailable.
    Last edited by BB62; 08-29-2012 at 08:28 AM.

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