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    CADL v MOC -- What if we lose? Are you still with us?

    All,

    While we truly don't know what the outcome will be (and at least 2 of the 3 judges seemed to open-minded), the decision will be out soon.

    That night or the next I will be calling a special leadership meeting where the leadership team will be discussing whether to pursue this case further (in the event the outcome isn't favorable or completely what we're looking for). The question I have for you is: are you still behind us? If we elect to take the case to the Supreme Court it will be no inexpensive endeavor. I can't quote you a price yet or how much we'll need -- but I can say it'll be substantial, even if Dean continues his very VERY generous rate/fees.

    So let me ask you: Can we count on you to donate AT LEAST $100 to help us take this case to the next level, if need be? If we can count on you, email me at PHofmeister@miopencarry.org or write a reply in this thread. The amount of support we appear to have will certainly be one factor in our decision to pursue the case further, if needed.

    I can certainly appreciate times are tight. Please be assured we are doing our best with the resources we have to fight the good fight. I hope you will stand with us.

    I appreciate your consideration on this matter.

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    If an appeal is necessary(or CADL appeals their loss), I'm in for $100.

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    I was thinking a little bit ago with is active as our forum is have you considered doing raffles like what virginiagunraffle does? If you look at their set up it looks like a really good way to possible raise a lot of money. People are generally more inclined to donate that way because they have a chance at something awesome :P Either way I would throw a C note at the cause

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    Not to get too far off topic, but raffles in Michigan Require a license, and we don't qualify for one at this time.

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    I could afford to donate $100 if it is needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Not to get too far off topic, but raffles in Michigan Require a license, and we don't qualify for one at this time.
    If MOC is a registered non-profit which it appears to be?

    You do qualify for a nominal fee

    total prize under $500 - cost $15
    total prize over $500 - cost $50

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/BS...24_26045_7.pdf

    OT: I would do my best to donate if necessary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevymetal View Post
    If MOC is a registered non-profit which it appears to be?

    You do qualify for a nominal fee

    total prize under $500 - cost $15
    total prize over $500 - cost $50

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/BS...24_26045_7.pdf

    OT: I would do my best to donate if necessary
    The license seems to require Federal non-profit status (we only have Michigan), or 5 years of financials...we haven't existing that long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scot623 View Post
    The license seems to require Federal non-profit status (we only have Michigan), or 5 years of financials...we haven't existing that long.
    PM me if you or Q are interested in changing that. I do work for a great CPA firm who may be able to help get you your federal exempt status or know how to work around the existing rules given the organizations relative youth. I would be willing to donate a few hrs of billable time to get you what you need. The owner is Pro-gun and I recently talked him into getting his CPL
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    I'm in for $100.
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    It's times like this we must call in our banners and know who will stand with us. Thank you to each of you!

    Quote Originally Posted by scot623 View Post
    If an appeal is necessary(or CADL appeals their loss), I'm in for $100.
    Thank you for all you continue to do!

    Quote Originally Posted by choover View Post
    Either way I would throw a C note at the cause
    Much appreciated!

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    i'm in.
    and we thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by fozzy71 View Post
    I could afford to donate $100 if it is needed.
    We'd appreciate the effort.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevymetal View Post
    OT: I would do my best to donate if necessary
    It'd be great if you could.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Bear View Post
    I'm in!
    yay! Thank you (again!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    I'm in.
    Thank you (again!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    I'm in.
    Thank you, friend!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevymetal View Post
    PM me if you or Q are interested in changing that. I do work for a great CPA firm who may be able to help get you your federal exempt status or know how to work around the existing rules given the organizations relative youth. I would be willing to donate a few hrs of billable time to get you what you need. The owner is Pro-gun and I recently talked him into getting his CPL
    Actually, Adam (MOC VP), Myself, and Ryan Ransom (Autosurgeon) - Treasurer would be needing that soon. We're filing as a 501(c)(4). Can you email boatrd@miopencarry.org and give us some ideas what you can do for us and what's involved?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    I'm in for $100.
    And thank you!
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    You know that I can't donate that much. If I could, I'd fund the whole case. I was hoping to get a suit out of the search and detainment issue, and would have donated from that.

    I think it would be foolish not to stick this out, and considering the possible ramifications of the case, it might not be an option, we may have to take it to the supreme court if there is to be any OC at all in the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post

    Actually, Adam (MOC VP), Myself, and Ryan Ransom (Autosurgeon) - Treasurer would be needing that soon. We're filing as a 501(c)(4). Can you email boatrd@miopencarry.org and give us some ideas what you can do for us and what's involved?
    Check your PM for my phone # and call me, I talked to the CPA this morning and have received a ton of info from him on the application process, forms, instructions etc. They would be happy to assist in the application process and filing of the forms since they have experience in doing this. They are also willing to offset some of the costs with a trade-off for my labor with them (my donation to the process). There is however a bunch of legwork you guys have to do seeing that the application is a 30 page document that you can answer most of the questions better. Get ahold of me and I can forward the info and discuss the process with you. The application approval can take anywhere from 6-18 months so the sooner the better.
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