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    Armed man shot...

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Offi...165115486.html

    Apparently the police didn't know if he had fired or raised his gun to do so before they opened fire. I wonder how long they gave him between ordering him to drop it and when they pulled the trigger?

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    have to wait until the trial ...

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    Just another Birking? They can't say he raised his weapon, and they also cannot say the guy they shot was the shooter from the other location. Soooo, let's just shoot anybody who is armed just in case... and hope we shot the right guy. I smell fish!
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    I wonder how long they gave him between ordering him to drop it and when they pulled

    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Offi...165115486.html

    Apparently the police didn't know if he had fired or raised his gun to do so before they opened fire. I wonder how long they gave him between ordering him to drop it and when they pulled the trigger?
    In the case of my brother, there was not order given, no delay in shooting and because of that, he was shot because the officer thought he had a gun...which turned out to be his wallet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Offi...165115486.html

    Apparently the police didn't know if he had fired or raised his gun to do so before they opened fire. I wonder how long they gave him between ordering him to drop it and when they pulled the trigger?
    That is NOT what the article said. It said they did not immediately release that information.

    You do us no favors with inflaming suppositions that would appear to draw out anti LEO responses. The responsible thing to do is to watch and wait for details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    That is NOT The responsible thing to do is to watch and wait for details.
    What???? And go against tradition? Don't you know that the favorite pastime on internet forums is "jumping to conclusion(s)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    What???? And go against tradition? Don't you know that the favorite pastime on internet forums is "jumping to conclusion(s)?

    Quite right!

    Flying off the handle and jumping to conclusions is our main form of PT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    That is NOT what the article said. It said they did not immediately release that information.

    You do us no favors with inflaming suppositions that would appear to draw out anti LEO responses. The responsible thing to do is to watch and wait for details.
    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    What???? And go against tradition? Don't you know that the favorite pastime on internet forums is "jumping to conclusion(s)?

    We are not a traditional forum and are most definitely not internet forums. We deal in facts and post responsibly - yes?

    That is what makes us different - Vive la différence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    That is NOT what the article said. It said they did not immediately release that information.

    You do us no favors with inflaming suppositions that would appear to draw out anti LEO responses. The responsible thing to do is to watch and wait for details.
    And you do us no favors by assuming malice where there wasn't any. Perhaps it reflects your own motives?

    The article said police could not say. Words have meanings, as any journalist is well aware. Could not is a peculiar choice of wording, if the police simply refused to comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    We are not a traditional forum and are most definitely not internet forums. We deal in facts and post responsibly - yes?

    That is what makes us different - Vive la différence.
    Motivational bias. You did it to me, but know your motivations were just even if you made an error. You don't know that about me, so you assume I was posting misinformation or propaganda. Shame on you for doing exactly what you object to.
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    JEEZE DIFDI, get a grip. petty bickering should be coming from the anti's, not here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    That is NOT what the article said. It said they did not immediately release that information.

    You do us no favors with inflaming suppositions that would appear to draw out anti LEO responses. The responsible thing to do is to watch and wait for details.
    This is what the article says:

    "Police say the officer encountered an armed man in the park. Officers ordered the suspect to drop his gun and then shots were fired and the suspect was hit. Police could not immediately say if the suspect fired a weapon or raised his gun."
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    This is what the article says:

    "Police say the officer encountered an armed man in the park. Officers ordered the suspect to drop his gun and then shots were fired and the suspect was hit. Police could not immediately say if the suspect fired a weapon or raised his gun."
    ...and that contradicts Grapeshot's post how?

    Come on Guys Grapeshot is a great moderator and I notice puts a concerted effort on not using his power as a moderator to enforce personal opinion.

    He simply could have just locked up the thread or read the OP the riot act instead, he his trying to make sure we stay within the guidelines. While discussing local issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    That is NOT what the article said. It said they did not immediately release that information.
    The above in red is a direct quote from the original article to which the OP linked. It was later updated/modified to the present verbiage. I stand by my statement.

    You do us no favors with inflaming suppositions that would appear to draw out anti LEO responses. The responsible thing to do is to watch and wait for details.
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    And you do us no favors by assuming malice where there wasn't any. Perhaps it reflects your own motives?
    Obviously there is no "malice" expressed. Suggesting that I have ulterior motives is a high insult.

    The article said police could not say. Words have meanings, as any journalist is well aware. Could not is a peculiar choice of wording, if the police simply refused to comment.
    Yes words have meanings and "did not immediately release" does not equate to "refused."

    Motivational bias. You did it to me, but know your motivations were just even if you made an error. You don't know that about me, so you assume I was posting misinformation or propaganda. Shame on you for doing exactly what you object to.
    You further insult me. I do not know your motivation. Mine is simple - to see that this forum addresses facts not things not in evidence. What-if scenarios may have their place, but hardly so with an going investigation.
    Some of my response is embedded above in green.

    Gentlemen - I have no problem with differing opinions posted responsibly w/o personal insults/attacks. I do have a problem when this rule is ignored. Anyone ignoring that may have their post deleted or edited and other sanctions imposed.

    My original comment on this thread was intended to quell any distortion of facts and as a caution to not inflame emotions on what could be an already volatile case. I will continue to operate on that basis.

    This has been blown out of proportion, apparently by a few that think they are not subject to moderation unless they agree with it. Sorry, but that is not how it works. Highjacking a thread to express disagreement with moderation will be responded to on the forum for the benefit of all.

    Let it end here w/o further adieu and return to the case at hand.
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    Soooo...... *crickets chirping* ....... I'm guessing by the lack of follow up, that this hasn't been explained yet? Is still under investigation? No formal statement has been issued? Nobody cares anymore? Shooter was the same guy who got shot - case closed?

    I didn't see any updates to the original story, and my popcorn is running out....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WOD View Post
    Soooo...... *crickets chirping* ....... I'm guessing by the lack of follow up, that this hasn't been explained yet? Is still under investigation? No formal statement has been issued? Nobody cares anymore? Shooter was the same guy who got shot - case closed?

    I didn't see any updates to the original story, and my popcorn is running out....
    There's a good chance there is some audio from a "dash cam" and until it's reviewed nobody at SPD is going to say squat. If there is no audio then they'll be saying even less.

    There's a good chance that this "investigation" will be conducted under the purview of DOJ's "Monitor".

    Get another bag of Orville Redenbacher, toss it in the Microwave and then keep munching. Someday we'll hear the official "Real Story".
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    Thanks amlevin, I guess I'll have to go do that....
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